Today Colin and Justin take a look at recent headlines to come out of the outdoor adventure community.
On the docket:
In response to the Trump Administration's Valentine's Day staffing and budget cuts, employees at Yosemite National Park hung an upside down flag on the top of El Cap. Hope ensued. (04:55)
The Trump Administration backtracked on those cuts with the Department of the Interior announcing they would allow agencies to hire 7,700 seasonal employees. (08:21)
On Tuesday 2/25 Patagonia CEO Ryan Gellert posted an Op-Ed on Time.com stating Patagonia's intention to fight back against the moves made by the Trump Administration, breaking the silence from outdoor industry brands over the past weeks. (12:06)
Kelly Slater opened a wave pool in Abu Dhabi and the WSL hosted a comp there. In related news: Justin Housman is angry. (18:41)
A runner was recently disqualified as the winner of a 100 mile road ultramarathon as his shoes violated a USATF rule about stack height. So, this is a thing? (26:14)
The Parting Shot! Colin loves the name of a new shoe by Obōz while Justin encourages you to do the maintenance. (35:05)
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Episode Transcript:
Chris DeMakes
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Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight.
Colin True
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Welcome to the Rock Fight where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head. I'm Colin Trude joining me today. I'll get him to start playing ice hockey, even if it kills me.
It's Justin Houseman.
Justin Housman
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I wonder.
Colin True
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You should do it.
Justin Housman
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Do it. I wonder if I would be. I think I would be. I think it would look like Big Bird on skates for a long time.
Colin True
00:00:32.128 - 00:00:33.460
Oh, for a little while, definitely.
Justin Housman
00:00:33.540 - 00:00:52.404
I mean, I'm pretty good stick handling on pavement with the little rubber.
Those little plastic orange balls, you know, like, we were pretty into it like on like Wayne's World style, like on feet, you know, me and my Gretzky jersey. I got a knack for the. I got a knack for like, shooting and stuff, but man, skating would be tough.
Colin True
00:00:52.532 - 00:01:02.260
Skates is. That's the whole thing. I think you'd be great, though. And a lot of. A lot of people start playing in their 40s a lot. I even looked it up. There's a.
There's a learn to play options for people your age and your age.
Justin Housman
00:01:02.300 - 00:01:04.784
No, there's not. There's not an ice rink anywhere near us.
Colin True
00:01:04.872 - 00:01:08.784
Yeah, it's. It's either in Oakland, that's. Or somewhere south of you. I can't remember where.
Justin Housman
00:01:08.872 - 00:01:12.944
Probably San Jose. Oakland is. That's an hour. San Jose is an hour.
Colin True
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There was one one in Santa Rosa.
Justin Housman
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Oakland is probably half hour. I'm being. I'm being. I'm being dramatic.
Colin True
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Yeah.
Justin Housman
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I'm not. I appreciate when other people learn things and are bad at it for a while. I think that's great for them. I'm not. I'm not.
I have way too much pride to just be like, I'm horrible at this. Watch me flail. Especially when it comes to sports. I'll learn, like, I'll show up and like, learn how to play an instrument. Be like, I have no.
There's no part of my ego has anything to do with this. I've never played instruments. I don't care. Look at me. Haha. I don't know where the guitar parts are.
But like sports, it's hard because it's like, I'm pretty good at sports. So if I show up and I like, I can't even skate. No, I don't.
Colin True
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Well, great show for you today, everyone. We're going to be talking about protests in Yosemite, surfing in Abu Dhabi, and illegal running shoes will I'm sorry, Surfing.
Justin Housman
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Where would you like to take another run at that?
Colin True
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Abu Dhabi. What did I say?
Justin Housman
00:01:57.886 - 00:02:02.032
Well, Abu Dhabi. You've juxtaposed the names of two different places entirely.
Colin True
00:02:02.126 - 00:02:02.540
Did I?
Justin Housman
00:02:02.580 - 00:02:06.908
Well, there's Abu Dhabi and then there's Dubai. Those are not, in fact, the same place.
Colin True
00:02:06.964 - 00:02:08.300
Shit, I can't cut this out, can I?
Justin Housman
00:02:08.340 - 00:02:09.600
No. Nuh.
Colin True
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All right. Surfing in Abu Dhabi.
Justin Housman
00:02:12.508 - 00:02:13.276
There you go.
Colin True
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And illegal running shoes. We'll, of course, wrap things up with the Parting Shop before we get to any of that.
If you missed Monday's episode of the Rock Fight, go back and listen to it. We talked about Helly Hansen getting acquired and Patagonia's Pfast video and a quick update on that one.
Actually, yesterday I spoke to Matt Dwyer, who's the VP of Product, the global product footprint at Patagonia. He's featured in that video that I was a little critical of.
He's gonna come on the Rock Fight maybe next week to return fire at my assertion that Patagonia is not actually leading the PFAS charge. So we'll keep you updated on that. Also come back.
Justin Housman
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Are they suggesting that they are?
Colin True
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Yes. Watch the video.
Justin Housman
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Okay.
Colin True
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Be sure to come back this Friday where I'm gonna talk about the role of outdoor brands during the second Trump administration. And then, what else we got? Right now, Justin is going to tell you about our newsletter.
Justin Housman
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This is, that number is climbing. So thanks, folks. People are listening. Clearly people are hearing what's coming out of our.
Colin True
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Keep shaming them, though. Keep shaming. Yeah.
Justin Housman
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Sign up for the. Sign up for the newsletter. I mean, look, I spent a lot of time yesterday, like, unsubscribing from things and telling people to stop emailing me.
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Colin True
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Or else.
Justin Housman
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I mean, I don't even want to. I'm just going to leave. Let it hang there so you can kind of fill in the blank with the most dark possible outcome.
Colin True
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But yeah, see, if you played hockey, then you could threaten them with a hockey stick.
Justin Housman
00:04:19.988 - 00:04:23.640
Yeah. Is that even threatening in hockey? They don't. People don't seem to care about getting hit by sticks.
Colin True
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I've been hit by hockey stick and it doesn't feel particularly good.
Justin Housman
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Yeah, I bet it doesn't on the gloves, though, or on the arms. Gloves.
Colin True
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I got a penalty for slashing. I hit some guy in the hands this past week.
Justin Housman
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You can do that? I thought, is it like a degree of like how hard you swing? Is it like how far you take the stick back before you hit?
Colin True
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Yeah, look, the guy, he had me, he had me beat. And so I just was sort of reaching in to try and, you know, at least like kind of pull him back a little bit.
And I got him right on the hands and it kind of, you know, he was kind of ruined his momentum. So the reference called that for that, I guess. So I got. You got to get on the score sheet somehow, you know, what are we talking about?
All right, our top story today is more hockey news. This is not a hockey news podcast.
Justin Housman
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I wish it was.
Colin True
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We're going to start with something we saw in a bunch of different media outlets in response to the staffing and budget cuts to national parks and other public land agencies that we talked about here in the rock fight just last week. This past weekend, a group of upset employees at Yosemite national park hung an upside down flag on the face of el cap. The upside down.
The upside down flag traditionally is a sign of, quote, dire distress according to the United States flag code. You know, what'd you think, man, would you. I was pretty.
Justin Housman
00:05:32.906 - 00:06:27.102
I don't think I've been more proud of this country ever in my life. I mean, like. Like, what else could they have done like that? Like, I want to see. I want to see. I want to. Like, I'd rather see.
This is probably being dramatic, but, you know, I don't know how you would make one, but, like, sculptures of this rather than the, like, Iwo Jima flag raising. You know, it's like, oh, cool. We, like. We took over another island in the Indonesia and archipelago, and a lot of people died. Great. Here's a.
Here's a. Here's something that we'll never be able to stop seeing. These three dudes hoist a flag. That means why? Where were you doing that at all? Versus this.
This is badass. I mean, this is so badass. I mean, first of all, I would like to point out surely they didn't, like, climb El Cap to get up there.
But, like, you can't just easily access El Cap right now. So, like. Like Tuolumne, like, the. The road that goes through Tioga Pass is closed unless you're obviously a ranger.
So, like, this is, like, took a lot of organizing. It's also the biggest flag I've ever seen. Where do you get a flag like that? That flag's got to be 400ft long. Like, that wasn't easy to do.
Colin True
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What.
Justin Housman
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How they anchored, I don't know, but imagine how, like, gnarly that must have been. Like. Like. Like this giant thing. Like, if you're holding onto it in a gust of wind, you're out. You're flying off the face of El Cap.
Anyway, if you haven't seen it, find footage of it. It's. I've never been more proud. I mean, honestly, like, it's like, hell yes, is what I have to say about that. Like, fan fucking tastic.
And I don't know. I mean, maybe that's why. Who knows? But I don't. I mean, I suppose we're going to talk about in a few minutes, but, I mean, I guess we are.
I mean, they're backtracking like crazy on their nps, like, decisions in terms of, like, firing and stuff like that. So I don't know if it's possible that it's something like this. I don't know, but, I mean, like, I've. Again, very, very proud.
Colin True
00:07:02.160 - 00:07:14.600
Yeah, and we'll talk about that in a second. I do like the idea, though, of your Of.
Of this being in the snow globe and the gift shop as opposed to like, just, you know, like, oh, look, there's Half Dome. It's like, hold on here's el cap with the flag on it in the snow globe. We should buy that.
Justin Housman
00:07:14.640 - 00:07:31.414
I don't think it can be, like, overstated how important it is for us to take back the American flag. But anyway, like, what a great. Just. Just all. Just, just absolutely. Like, this is like, you.
Clearly, we hired the right people because look at what they did. You know, I think they should have been.
Colin True
00:07:31.422 - 00:07:40.230
This is gonna be like Lord of the Rings or where they light the beacons. And they should now, like.
Like, there should be, like, one and sort of like, on the big walls and like Zion, it goes up and it's all the way across the country at all the national parks. How cool would that be?
Justin Housman
00:07:40.270 - 00:07:40.902
That would be cool.
Colin True
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Like, wherever there's a cliff in a national park, we hang out.
Justin Housman
00:07:43.230 - 00:08:15.522
That would be extremely cool. I mean, one of the. I don't know. I just feel like.
I feel like we're already starting to see a little bit of a groundswell where people are kind of going, wait, what's happening now? Like, you know, there's a bunch of town halls over the weekend, and I'm. Look, I'm sorry, folks, if you don't hear about politics, turn.
Turn your radio off for the next 30 seconds.
Yeah, but this is important, you know, like, where there's all these town halls going on right now where all these farmers are like, wait, what's happening? Like, I voted for you guys, and you're kind of, like, screwing us big time right now.
Like, I just found out this morning that the whole USAID thing is, like, horribly bad for farmers because they grow a lot of food that goes to these USAID countries, and they're like.
Colin True
00:08:15.706 - 00:08:16.818
And they get paid for it, right?
Justin Housman
00:08:16.874 - 00:08:21.202
Yeah, like, what am I going to do? You just screwed us, you know, so, like. Good, good.
Colin True
00:08:21.386 - 00:08:23.090
Well, perfect in the next part of the story.
Justin Housman
00:08:23.130 - 00:08:23.394
All right.
Colin True
00:08:23.402 - 00:08:56.379
Since we recorded last week where we were definitely a couple of Debbie Downers, we were pretty bummed out. And now the point. There has been a groundswell. The Trump administration had.
Has backtracked to a certain extent on the NPS and public agent land agencies layoffs. The Department of the Interior sent a memo stating that the agencies could hire 7,700 seasonal employees, which is up from the past few years.
It's been 6,300. It's. Now, this memo didn't do anything to address.
There was roughly 1,000 permanent employees who were fired on what has become known as the Valentine's Day Massacre. Massacre. I mean, I guess we'll take the wins where we can get Them.
Justin Housman
00:08:56.419 - 00:09:53.860
Well, there's a, there's news about that. There is news about that. There was a stay issued or.
No, there's a judge has basically given the go ahead to like issue a stay blocking those firings, if that makes sense, or for the public, for the people that got the probationary period that got fired.
There's, there's some rumblings that that is, it's, unfortunately it's not going to happen overnight, but there was like a big, a big announcement I heard over the weekend where it looks like a judge has basically said you can't actually do that. You have like four days to figure out a way to like respond to this.
And if you don't, there's a stay again on those firings, which means they can't do. Doesn't mean. Or, or it doesn't. It's complicated.
Like, it's not like you're, it's not like if you were probationary and you got, you got axed on, you know, a couple weeks ago that all of a sudden you have your job back. It's not quite that simple, but they're basically, it looks like the court system is going, that's actually illegal. You can't do that.
We have rules about how you have to fire people. We know that you broke them. This isn't going to work. So there's some pushback there too.
Colin True
00:09:54.160 - 00:10:22.260
Big picture, like, this does make me feel better. Hearing that actually makes me feel better. It's like, okay, the checks and balances, the people who are not okay with this are going to speak up.
But there's still just so much confusion and doubt over everything because no one really knows. How is this going to, I mean, okay, so we can hire these temporary workers. What happens to the thousand workers who are permanent?
What does this mean for my experience at a national parks this year or even in two years from now? So it's still, I think, a lot to play out. But from where we were last week where it was like, hey, is anybody to say anything here?
It's nice to see that some of the stuff is starting to happen.
Justin Housman
00:10:22.380 - 00:10:42.054
Like I will say that. And I've had this conversation with so many people in the last few weeks, like, I have no doubt that there's obviously there's huge government waste.
I mean the Pentagon entirely, 90% of its budget is waste, you know, frankly. So like, you know, if you wanted to go through, I, I would welcome that like a full line by line audit of like NPS spending.
Like, what are they actually spending money on?
Colin True
00:10:42.062 - 00:10:44.250
What Elon Musk would be your choice.
Justin Housman
00:10:44.910 - 00:10:47.766
So, yeah, everything's all buttoned down and like, well thought through.
Colin True
00:10:47.838 - 00:10:50.822
You know, he wears cool sunglasses, you.
Justin Housman
00:10:50.846 - 00:11:20.388
Know, makes cool like hand gestures that mean, I guess whatever you want them to mean. Anyway, I just feel like, I feel like, sure, like there's probably ways to go about doing that, but.
But like the thing that we're also upset about is like you got to do it the right way. Like takes a few years. Take a few years, do like an in depth audit.
And if you're like, you know, we probably could get by with like fewer of this and more of this get. Let those people know, like, right. Why are you treating people like shit for no reason?
Like that's the thing, that's the meanness is, is, is insane because they don't.
Colin True
00:11:20.404 - 00:11:24.708
Care because they're obviously this is their agenda to break the government. So they can. But also it's control of it for.
Justin Housman
00:11:24.764 - 00:12:05.920
Some kind of payback thing.
I mean, they announced what last week that they want to like, that they want to basically say they want to like dissolve the Presidio Trust, which is like the Presidio is a, is a former military base in San Francisco that's now a national park unit. And they're like, yeah, we're going to just go ahead and like get rid of that. And the Presidio Trust basically pays for all of it.
And it's an independent organization that pays for all. And they're like, well one, we don't actually get money from the feds, so we don't know what you're talking about.
Like we're completely self sufficient, but okay, but it's like that's clearly just them going, you know what, we know that San Francisco is like overwhelmingly blue, so we're going to get just a giant middle finger in San Francisco. It's just like that's what all. So anyway, anyway, I'm getting off a tangent. Good for you MPS workers. Fantastic. More of this, please.
Colin True
00:12:06.220 - 00:12:46.074
Well, more kudos to pass around because I think on three of probably the past four episodes of the Rock Fight, we've been sort of chastising the brands of the outdoor industry for remaining quiet as our, you know, new presidential administration just sort of runs a rough shot over everything that we like.
But this morning, right before we recorded this, recording this On Tuesday the 25th, the voice I think we were all expecting to hear first, which we now have, that broke that silence, Patagonia CEO Ryan Gellert had an op ed piece published on Time.com I'll link it in the show notes. Vowing to fight the second Trump administration in the same manner. Manner that Patagonia and others fought in the first time around.
I think it took a little long. I was getting a little worried that, like, brands weren't going to say anything. I was commenting, do the homework, you.
Justin Housman
00:12:46.082 - 00:12:49.470
Know, I mean, you don't just like, come on, they're not recording a podcast.
Colin True
00:12:50.210 - 00:12:51.162
I understand.
Justin Housman
00:12:51.346 - 00:12:52.746
Like, do the legwork.
Colin True
00:12:52.938 - 00:13:11.394
The thing that worried me was the last time, it just took the threat of reducing the size of bears ears for the entire outdoor industry to start screaming. And this time, all of our national parks and public forests and national forests and everything were under threat and no one was saying anything.
No one was fatigue saying anything publicly. So this was very, I think part.
Justin Housman
00:13:11.402 - 00:13:31.930
Of that's fatigue, you know, like, you can, like, yeah, probably. Who isn't tired of being outraged at this point?
You know, it's just like I hear, you know, so it, you know, that's, I mean, I think that's part of the game plan for the, for groups that want to take everything over. You'd, like, flood the zone. It makes them really tall and it's like, I don't really want to deal with this anymore.
I, I got kids, I want to go outside, you know, so, yeah, I'm not surprised.
Colin True
00:13:32.010 - 00:13:39.242
No, but it was great to read. A little disappointed he didn't like choose Rock Fight's newsletter. Yeah, but that in Time magazine, whose Time Time, as Trump said the other.
Justin Housman
00:13:39.266 - 00:13:41.830
Day, like, I didn't know they still existed. You know, they're still in business.
Colin True
00:13:42.370 - 00:14:15.182
Don't give him any credit for anything. No, but I think it, it was a great piece. Like I said, I'll link it in the show notes. I.
Hopefully it's a harbinger of what's to come out of the industry. I know Kent Eversole for the head of the ya, he's been much more vocal in the last couple of weeks.
They're planning a webinar for their members, which are the brands of the outdoor industry.
So hopefully this is the start of a more organized, loud response on behalf of our industry, which, you know, this is, to your point, like, if you don't like politics. Sorry that we're leading it a lot with this, but this is, well, this isn't politics.
This is the business of the outdoors and where we like to go recreate and it's under threat. So it needs to be talked about.
Justin Housman
00:14:15.206 - 00:14:20.270
It's politics. It's not necessarily ideology, which is different. Right. Like this is a policy level thing.
Colin True
00:14:20.310 - 00:14:20.510
Right.
Justin Housman
00:14:20.550 - 00:15:15.038
Like, if we're going to be defunding the Park Service, that is a politic. That is a political thing because it's a policy decision.
It's not necessarily, I mean, so like, we can talk about that all day long without necessarily getting into ideology. And I think people get tripped up on that. Like, it's okay.
You should be allowed to talk about politics because this directly impacts a lot of what you're doing. And most of what we want to do takes place on public lands. So it's inherently political.
And if you want to get mad at people talking about politics, you don't fundamentally understand how the country works because that's how it goes.
I mean, I think that there's all kinds of really interesting ways we could go with like, public private land partnerships and like, you know, private land develop, you know, private organizations buying up big tracts of land and making it pseudo public. But it's owned by a particular. And I think, like, there's a lot of, like, interesting ways that like our use of space can go.
I don't think it has to necessarily be like, big government owns all the land and like we, you know, so let's have those conversations and maybe this is opening a door to that. I don't, I don't know.
Colin True
00:15:15.094 - 00:15:23.422
But yeah, by the way, we have a platform and this is the stuff I'm kind of tired of people just like, oh, you shouldn't talk about that. It's like, no, you know, we're. This is if we're going to talk about. Because it needs to be touched on.
Justin Housman
00:15:23.446 - 00:15:23.886
Yeah.
Colin True
00:15:23.998 - 00:15:25.182
So, yeah.
Justin Housman
00:15:25.246 - 00:15:30.986
Anyway, good job. I still want one more. One more kudo. Very good job, rangers.
Colin True
00:15:31.018 - 00:15:32.874
Is that a singular Kudos? So is that a kudos?
Justin Housman
00:15:32.922 - 00:15:35.962
I feel like it's gonna be one particular kudo.
Colin True
00:15:36.026 - 00:15:36.506
Kudo.
Justin Housman
00:15:36.538 - 00:15:39.310
Yeah. Kudos is plural. I'm just giving the one kudo.
Colin True
00:15:39.650 - 00:15:42.842
That's true. So I'm offering you kudos. I'm saying I'm giving you so many compliments.
Justin Housman
00:15:42.986 - 00:15:47.338
Kudos might not be a plural word. I, I actually don't. I should look into that. No. Remember the candy bar?
Colin True
00:15:47.394 - 00:15:48.842
English language is weird. I should look in.
Justin Housman
00:15:48.866 - 00:15:51.310
Remember the, like, kind of healthy candy bar called Kudos?
Colin True
00:15:51.650 - 00:15:53.178
Yeah, kudos. We're chocolate covered.
Justin Housman
00:15:53.194 - 00:15:56.250
Like, we're like one less gram of sugar than like a Snickers.
Colin True
00:15:56.330 - 00:16:33.530
Yeah, it was about. Yeah, it was a Snickers, but it had granola in it. It's basically the same thing. A little bit more fiber.
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00:17:08.800 - 00:17:12.260
Yeah. You can also wear no shoes. Doesn't get any lighter than that.
Colin True
00:17:13.920 - 00:17:29.680
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Colin True
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And now back to the show. All right, next story. Do you know that Kelly Slater, Justin. Built a wave pool and.
Justin Housman
00:18:47.568 - 00:18:59.830
Yeah, because I am the one that made. I'm the one that added this to the album. Abu Dhabi. It's Abu Dhabi, Colin. I think they're both in the United Arab Emirates.
Colin True
00:19:00.170 - 00:19:26.152
I believe so, but I'm not going to comment on it.
Well, over this past weekend, the world, maybe, or last weekend, the World Surf League Championship Tour made a stop in the Middle east for a competition. Where Oceanside Zone, up, just up the street from me. Katie Simmers and Brazil's italo. Is it Ferrero 1.
Something tells me that Rock Fights resident surfer here, though, has some issue maybe with the wave itself.
Justin Housman
00:19:26.296 - 00:19:31.080
Well, I, I mean, I presume I've, I've gone, I've, I've, I've laid into wave pools on this.
Colin True
00:19:31.120 - 00:19:32.392
I don't know if we've talked about wave pools.
Justin Housman
00:19:32.456 - 00:20:00.324
Wave pools are a scourge on, on. I mean, good Lord, I can't even. So, first of all, when Kelly Slater first built his and everyone lost their mind.
I worked at Surfer magazine then, and my first instinct was to write a, like an op ed about how this is literally like poisoning the future of surfing. This is horrible, and I hate every part of it.
Lo and behold, the entire staff got invited out to test out the wave except for me, which is fun, even though I was born like 20 miles from where that wave pool was built and nobody else knew.
Colin True
00:20:00.372 - 00:20:02.644
So you did put out this piece that was like slammed it.
Justin Housman
00:20:02.652 - 00:20:06.452
And then. This is a long time ago. This is. I, I don't even remember. Like, this is probably like 2000, by the way.
Colin True
00:20:06.476 - 00:20:09.124
Coward move. I would have said, make sure that guy.
Justin Housman
00:20:09.252 - 00:22:08.124
It's also possible they just didn't know me because I was the one guy who didn't live at the office. It's pot. Or live in Southern California. It's possible, but I'm going to go with Kelly Slater is.
Kelly Slater is a very nice man in a lot of ways, but he also, he reads media. And like, Kelly Slater has emailed me before. Like, I liked that piece. Like, he, he reads. If his name is on something, he'll read it.
So I imagine he took it to heart and probably was annoyed, but they probably didn't fight me because I wasn't in the office the day they sent out invites. Anyway, point is, I, I just don't. I have no interest in wave pools. I think they're an abomination.
I mean, surfing is cool because it's in the ocean or a lake, whatever. Like, it's, it's.
There's nothing interesting to me about a wave pool other than like the sort of lizard brain part of me that's like, that's a perfect wave. Other than just have no interest, like you have to pay to use it. It's on a timer. It's, it's.
You're looking at like, infrastructure while you're riding the waves. Yeah, they're perfect, but who cares? I, I just, I have no interest in it at all.
The fact that they've put these things on the pro tour is, is insulting to me as someone who spent a lot of time watching professional surfing.
I mean, I'm watching this contest at Abu Dhabi the other day and Ethan Ewing, who to me is the best surfer on the planet right now, except for maybe John. John Florence looks terrible on this wave. He just, it's just, it's not a real wave, you know, and, and like, this poor guy doesn't suit his surfing.
So the event to Italo Ferreira, who can like surf your toilet, you know, and make it look like. And make it look fun, but it's. So that's one thing, right? Like, there's already been a contest at the Wave in Lamore. Nobody likes it.
By the way, there's a single fan of pro surfing who enjoys this contest.
All we do is talk about how we hate it, but they still run it, which why, I mean, it's be like having like a, like a football game where everyone's like, oh, we hate that game. No one watches it and they still like spend a billion dollars to make it. Anyway, Kelly opened one in Abu Dhabi.
He just went to the Middle east and just opened a wave pool. I mean, I, I can't even begin to get into all the reasons why that makes no sense. I mean, there is surfing in UAE a little bit. Okay. But like, is.
There's not like a giant population clamoring to like, learn how to surf there.
Colin True
00:22:08.212 - 00:22:09.692
It's a ton of money there, isn't there?
Justin Housman
00:22:09.716 - 00:22:29.992
Yeah, of course.
So it's like you'll get a bunch of like, rich people who are like, oh, cool, I can like, pay to like, go lay out by this nice pool and like my, you know, like, traveling like rich surfers from Orange county, they're doing business there can go. I don't know. It's gross. The whole thing is gross. It's like all.
If you're a real surfer, your main concern over the last like 50 years has been commodity commoditizing commodifying, commodity. That's what I'm looking for.
Colin True
00:22:30.016 - 00:22:30.504
Modification.
Justin Housman
00:22:30.552 - 00:23:17.200
Modification of surfing, period. Right. It could not be more that this is. Now it's been turned into commodity. You can just export it to wherever you want.
I mean, I just think it's absolutely appalling, not to mention the fact that, like, you just had a pro event there where, like, at least a few of the pro tour surfers are of the LGBTQ community and, like, you can be put to death there for being that. And we're just overlooked that. Like, I think that that's for sure. Just. Absolutely, I mean, I, I, I just, I don't know.
I mean, I get, I, it makes absolutely no sense.
I mean, it's like, hey, here's one of the most beautiful things that humans do, surf in the wild ocean, and we're going to strip it down and make it this dumb, chlorinated spectacle that nobody enjoys watching at all and just feed it to the surf world. It just drives me insane.
Colin True
00:23:17.620 - 00:23:51.090
I think the WSL competition at these places makes the most sense. Like, yeah, sure have surf competitions there. Don't clog up a beach or waiting for the conditions to be right to have a competition. Just do it there.
There you go. That's kind of like a ski, I don't know. It's like ski racing on a, on at a resort. In a way.
It's kind of like, all right, well, no one's gonna, you can't go there to ski today because they're doing a big race. I just feel like I agree with you.
Like, I'm not interested in, I mean, I would try it, I guess, probably because I'd be just curious, but I'm not, like, seeking it out as even a beginner surfer. But it's also like, I don't know.
All right, well, yeah, we have these things set up and do all the competitions there, and that way they don't have to go to the beach.
Justin Housman
00:23:51.170 - 00:24:47.528
Two things about that that are interesting. One, when surf contests first started, like, period, like 100 years ago, you know, there was only so much you could do on a wave.
So a lot of the competition was like, they'd put the board on the beach. I believe there's still some, like, old school board writers competitions that will do this kind of thing.
Like in Australia, the board would be like, on the beach, the competition be run out, grab the board, paddle out, get your wave, get back. Whoever got back first after surfing that they were the winner. Right?
Like, it was like a race kind of and it's like there might be some kind of interesting elements that like we do not think of when it comes to like judging pro surfing where it's like who goes the fastest on this section or whatever. Whatever the, whatever the like equivalent would be to someone doing like a super G or something like that and skiing. Right.
Yeah, that's the thing is though, like, I, I, as a non skier, I kind of presume that like doing, going really fast and doing big turns down a mountain is like something everyone can appreciate and kind of understands that there's like, to judge that like you're better than someone else. That's not a thing in surfing. Like it's never been a thing. Like.
Colin True
00:24:47.584 - 00:24:48.040
Right.
Justin Housman
00:24:48.160 - 00:25:43.850
So I mean the, the thing is you could have.
There's an argument to be made that all contests should be in wave pools because now everybody gets two waves that are exactly the same, blah, blah, blah, blah. But that's not what makes you a good surfer. It makes a good surfer reading the ocean, reacting to imperfections in the wave sometimes.
Like, like little guys are always going to have an advantage over a really big guy in small waves.
So like what now you, now you have to be 5, 6 to be in the, on the pro tour, you're, I mean, basically you'd be like, okay, we're just gonna turn this into gymnastics. And like everybody's going to get a range between 9.91 and 9.94. And that's the entire like, variety of it. Just. Okay. But that's not that.
That is so little to do with surfing. It's beyond the pale. So I just, I just, I get why Kelly Slater would do it. Dude obviously likes making money. I guess he makes money from it.
I don't know. But it's just a bizarre thing to me. It'd be like if you were love mountain bikes and that's your whole thing.
And then like the, the mountain bike tour was velo drome track racing. You'd be like, what that makes.
Colin True
00:25:43.890 - 00:25:45.146
There's a good, like, that has nothing.
Justin Housman
00:25:45.178 - 00:25:48.170
To do with my. Are you really Okay, I guess I'll watch.
Colin True
00:25:48.210 - 00:25:56.522
No, it's a good point. Like, how are you evaluating these people who all know how to surf really, really well, but the, and the wave doesn't change.
So how do you like kind of like tell them apart really? Other than just sort of.
Justin Housman
00:25:56.546 - 00:26:14.370
They all do the same thing. It's like the guys that are really into airs usually win because it's like they can like add like an air element.
But like the Guys that just know how to like surf beautifully and like on a real wave where like people are like oohing and awing are like killing it. Like they, they lose every single time. It's like, why would you rather watch the most watered down version possible?
Colin True
00:26:14.750 - 00:27:04.864
Well, this kind of plays into the last story I wanted to talk about is. It's like the further implementation of technical developments, I guess. I guess this is tech in a way, right?
Because you're talking about building some sort of infrastructure to create a wave. And this last story, this is my note to you in the outline was like running may have caught up to cycling.
And if you read yesterday's news from the front, our newsletter. I wrote about this. There was an ultra runner and I'm having a tough time with, with, with.
With words today and saying them correctly, but I assume it's Rajpal Panu. Sure, I'm gonna. Hopefully I say that correctly.
Who was disqualified from 100 mile road ultramarathon due to the stack height of his Hoka Skyward X's exceeding the maximum allowed stack height for USA track and field. And I'm like, so it was 8 millimeters too high. So that's a. I'm like, okay, so.
Justin Housman
00:27:04.872 - 00:27:06.480
That means, I guess, I mean it's almost the same.
Colin True
00:27:06.520 - 00:27:12.298
Well, there's a. But also like, what. I don't know, what advantage were they getting? Because there was.
Justin Housman
00:27:12.354 - 00:27:14.790
Did they not know that? I'd be surprised they wouldn't know that already.
Colin True
00:27:15.330 - 00:27:53.590
Yeah. I mean, no. And clearly he was like, he accepted it. He's like, I didn't know that my shoes were not. He accepted the outcome.
He's not fighting or anything. But it's like I was just like, okay, so now we have the rise of the super shoes, which I checked that out.
There's 21 brands who have a quote unquote super shoe. There's now you have stack heights that need to be managed by the usatf.
In terms of running, we have Kelly Slater building wave pools in the middle of nowhere so the surfers can have a watered down, you know, no pun intended, sort of competition. And for a long time all we really complained about was the over technical. Technical fication of bicycles. Right. It's all catching up.
Everybody's got something now.
Justin Housman
00:27:53.630 - 00:28:43.156
I think it's important to remember that we've only been doing these things. Like, like when I say we, I mean like most people like 80 years. Yeah.
I mean really, honestly, this is all like part of the post World War II World where it was like, oh, we have like, free time and like, like dispensable income. And like, we can like do this sort of stuff. Before it was like three people did it. Now it's like everybody can, you know.
And so like, it just at a certain point you've kind of done it.
All right, like, like we, like, we're just kind like, you're gonna hit a wall pretty quick where you're like, okay, we can't really innovate anymore or harder, you can't look, whatever. So you just start branching off under these weird directions of like super shoes.
I guess one of the things that I think is interesting is like, it's art. It's very clearly very arbitrary, right? Like if, okay, stack height is a thing. Okay, well, what about like, cushioning material that matters?
I'm sure you can be too springy. But like, do you. Part of the super.
Colin True
00:28:43.228 - 00:28:46.980
Part of it makes a super shoe. A super shoe is the, the rebound of the foam that you use.
Justin Housman
00:28:47.020 - 00:28:57.396
So like, like, do we need to go back like 40 years when that wasn't even an option? Like, and like, are those shoes? But like, I don't know. I don't know what you do here, you know, like, what's the. I kind of feel like.
Colin True
00:28:57.468 - 00:29:13.524
Well then I just clicked it on because part of the advantage of these, like, stack heights are then like, older folks can continue to run. That was the whole like revolution around Hoka. It's like, oh my.
By adding the maximal cushioning, people who have like banged up knees and stuff like that can continue to run. So there is advantages to doing it for certain segments of the running population.
Justin Housman
00:29:13.572 - 00:29:37.252
I guess to me this kind of feels like. I mean, okay, this is actually really, this is actually really good because this is the sort of insurification of, of.
Of sports in a lot of ways, which to me has its like kind of the coup de gras in like. I don't know that's the right word. The, the sort of like it's. The shiny example is a wave pool. Right to me.
But like, okay, so the MLB is, is dicking around with robot umps during spring training right now.
Colin True
00:29:37.276 - 00:29:38.600
Oh yeah, Spring training.
Justin Housman
00:29:39.000 - 00:30:48.688
Things where I, I sort of understand when like, older guys are like, I'm not going to watch baseball anymore because X, Y and Z, I might not. With robot umps. It's possible I might not. Like, because to me, I don't understand why we're trying to perfect human activities. So like, it's drama.
It's supposed to be drama. Like, that's the idea. So okay, so if we're going to have, like, like, fancy shoes and, like, rules about how you wear them, all the sorts.
I get that they're trying to keep it, like, a level playing field, which. Which in theory is. But, like, I guess at a certain point, you have to just acknowledge that none of this is real. It doesn't really matter.
You can't ever really. Like, it's just for fun.
Like, no one is like, okay, I get that there's money involved, but if this runner goes out and runs and he does a little bit better than somebody who doesn't have the same 8 mil, his 8 mil, less stack height or whatever. So, I mean, like, it's fun. The whole point is that this is entertainment. This isn't accomplishing anything.
No, no sporting event is accomplishing anything other than it's fun to do it and it's fun to watch it, and that's all that matters. So, like, I don't understand why we're trying to scientifically perfect all of this. It seems insane to me. I would just go back, no shoes.
You want to make it even? Nobody wears shoes.
Colin True
00:30:48.704 - 00:31:31.854
Well, that was the point I made in the newsletters. It's kind of like the. At least the.
The sort of mindset around, like, the minimalism craze, like the vivam five fingers or New Balance minimus or, you know, Merrill trail gloves or whatever was.
You know, it's letting your foot work as nature intended and giving you just a little bit of, like, you know, coverage so you're, you know, you didn't, like, tear up the bottom of your feet, which. That just kind of makes sense to me. It's like, hey, man, your foot was developed to. Evolved to work this way. You should use it that way.
And we're going to give you a little bit of, like, a little bit extra to help you out now. It's like, so the people who can really take advantage of some of these technologies, you know, like.
Like a super shoe or, you know, some of the technology you see in cycling. Well, we're talking about, like, milliseconds and, like, what you're saving for the vast majority of us, like, who cares?
Justin Housman
00:31:31.902 - 00:31:39.770
That's the thing is, like, that's what I meant earlier about. We've only been doing this for a few minutes. Like, we've hit the wall with everything. Like, so, like, it's all iterative at this point.
Colin True
00:31:40.070 - 00:32:16.698
Well, and. And that's what we talk a lot. And you and I have had, like, some different opinions in terms of tech.
Tech, like, Technology and like digital technology, like, you know, tracking and like GPS stuff.
But the thing I think we, we both agreed on, it's not to say, like, listen, if you're really into this stuff, you know, we don't want to yuck your yum. But it's also like, I like a rigid bike because I want to have less to think about, about. I don't want to worry about stuff.
I want to get on my bike and just have it work exactly right.
And like, and, and, and yes, I understand that that bike is less capable in many ways from a, a full suspension bike or whatever, but I'm willing to make that compromise because I just don't want to be bothered versus there's other people who really want to be bothered. They really want to have all those little.
Justin Housman
00:32:16.754 - 00:32:34.080
Maybe they're into it for a different reason. That's fine. That's totally fine. I get all that. I guess, I guess on a personal level that that makes a lot of sense to me.
You know, like, I, like, I, you know, I'm gonna get a new priority bike this week that has a whole different gear, like, has a gearbox. I've never used that before. Like maybe that will make biking.
Colin True
00:32:34.240 - 00:32:40.144
Yeah, but that's cool because like it's less maintenance and stuff like that. For the Belt Drive 100, that's a.
Justin Housman
00:32:40.152 - 00:33:25.960
Big attractor to me. But I mean, like, I don't, I, I, like maybe that's a bad example.
I mean I've got like a very high end electric mountain bike sitting next to me that it's you know, wireless shifting and you know, super nice components, everything. I don't have more fun on that. We talk about this all the time. I don't have more fun on that bike than I do anything else else.
But like, it's cool that it exists and if that's your thing, great, that's fine. And I don't really have a problem with individual people going out and like trying to better an aspect.
Like, if it really matters to you a lot to like run a certain race at a certain time, badass. Get, get whatever you need to make that happen. I just don't think it really ultimately matters very much. I don't really care how people achieve it.
And so to me, to me getting all annoyed about an 8 mil stack height just seems kind of ridiculous. It's a dude ran 100 miles. Surely by the end of it the stack height was obliterated anyway, right?
Colin True
00:33:26.900 - 00:33:37.260
You, you think so? Yeah. I don't know what. And I don't know what the margin of victory was. Like, if he dusted, like, like second place, then what are we doing?
Like, just leave the guy alone. Like he was going to win even if he had a different. A different shoe on.
Justin Housman
00:33:37.380 - 00:33:43.644
I was thinking about, like, Lance Armstrong before. Before everything came crashing down with him. Even without drugs, right. The guy was notorious.
Colin True
00:33:43.692 - 00:33:44.220
He would have won.
Justin Housman
00:33:44.260 - 00:34:08.240
Yeah. Like, he was. He was like, legendary for having that, like, insane V2 max, right? So it's like, what do you do with that?
Like, you can't compete against, like, he has an inherent advantage over everybody else anyway. And that's going to always be the case with sports. So, like, I don't understand. Are we leveling? Are we. Are we. Are we celebrating the best?
What are we doing here? So, again, I can't fix all this. So you just go back to, is it drama, is it fun, then. Then it's successful? That's. That's, that's how I view it.
Colin True
00:34:08.860 - 00:34:38.394
Yeah. And we don't. Again, it's not a matter of, like, you know, picking on. If there's things that you want to do, it's great. I just, I.
It's the way things then get marketed. Right. Like, I go back to that again, the 21 super shoes.
Like, so there's 21 different brands with shoes that cost more than 250 bucks, that are sort of a promise of a better version of the sport to people, and people are going to buy into that. And, And I guess if you put the shoe on and it's like, wow, this is the best thing ever. That's. That's great.
But it's, you know, for most people, it's probably not that much better than anything else they've ever worn.
Justin Housman
00:34:38.442 - 00:34:42.362
There is a reason that most other cultures celebrate, like, age.
Colin True
00:34:42.466 - 00:34:43.034
Simplicity.
Justin Housman
00:34:43.082 - 00:35:06.249
No, like.
Cause it's like, this is just things that have just become obvious to you at a certain point, you know, and it's like, if I was listening to this at 20, I'd be like, you old idiots. What do you even know? You know? But it's like, you know what? You will agree with us in 100%, in 20 years. You know, like, this is.
We should be venerating the older people because they know they should, you know, they shouldn't be in charge of the government, but they should. They know these things inherently.
Chris DeMakes
00:35:08.349 - 00:35:10.809
It's time for a party shot.
Colin True
00:35:12.189 - 00:35:14.165
All right. You have a parting shot.
Justin Housman
00:35:14.197 - 00:35:18.849
Is it my turn to go first? Just go first. You already wrote it. Just go first.
Colin True
00:35:20.120 - 00:35:38.192
All right, here's my parting Shot in the coming weeks, you're gonna start hearing ads from Oboz here on the Rock Fight. So this is as close to spawncon as you're ever gonna get around here.
But last week at the Outdoor Market alliance media event, I got to see Oboz's latest range of shoes and boots. And I just wanted to call out one of their new boots and one because. And Justin, you know I'm not a boot guy.
Justin Housman
00:35:38.216 - 00:35:38.720
Yeah, I knew.
Colin True
00:35:38.760 - 00:36:49.896
But this boot looks sick. And I really was actually, I was genuinely curious, like, what it would feel like. So I was like, that's a sweet looking boot. Like, good job, Oboz.
I wanna try on your booty. But really more importantly, I wanted to try this boot and call it out because it's called the Bangtail, which I loved that name.
And our listeners may know that Oboz is in Bozeman, which is in Montana, and there's a Montana mountain range called the Bangtails. And outdoor brands have this history of naming products after mountains and ranges and stuff.
But if I could put my brand asshole hat on for a second and go as far to say that I doubt many people outside of Montana are aware of the Bangtail Mountains. And even if everyone has heard of them, I mean, just what a name. What a treasure trove of jokes that can be made.
And my parting shot isn't that this boot shouldn't be called the Bangtail. My parting shot is imploring oboes. Please don't let this opportunity pass you by. Like, make, don't, don't try to make it a normal name. It's not.
Lean into the inappropriateness of the Bangtail. Like print extra large signs for the footwear walls for your retailers. Like, hire like famous tiktokers to make bang tail videos for you.
You took that first step. Like, take the next one. Come on, keep it going. Ovos make the Bang Tail dirty. All right? That's what I'm asking for here.
Justin Housman
00:36:49.968 - 00:36:57.700
All right, that's my being a huge fan of the random butt napkin brand makes a lot more sense to me now.
Colin True
00:36:58.320 - 00:36:59.512
Butt napkins. Come on.
Justin Housman
00:36:59.536 - 00:37:07.582
Great name. That's a good one. That's a good one. I think I like this because we're both kind of going with a little positivity on the parting shot.
Colin True
00:37:07.776 - 00:37:08.482
Oh, good.
Justin Housman
00:37:08.586 - 00:38:47.874
So my parting shot is do the. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it a little headline. I'm gonna get into it. Just do the maintenance. Okay.
And here's, here's what I mean by that. Over the. Over the weekend I.
My wife and I got annoyed because our cordless vacuum, a shark that was kind of expensive, was just, like, not working anymore. We've only had it like a year, right? And so we're just like. I knew this would happen. I've heard these aren't the best. Should we add a Dyson?
Should we spend $3,000 on, like, a German vacuum that we're gonna have the rest of our lives? Lives the same exact point. Our coffee maker, very highly rated.
The Bonavita Connoisseur, I think it's called, stopped working, like, in the last few weeks. And we've only had that for a couple of years. And so we're just like, annoyed.
These things that we, you know, rely on every day, both of which were not cheap. And turns out the reason that our coffee maker stopped working is because we never descaled it. And, like, it became too far gone.
It just is too far gone. You'd. It was amazing. You'd put in eight cups of water, you would get a cup of coffee. No leaks. Where's the where?
Then finally, my wife and I were like, wait, it's been really steamy in the mornings when we make coffee. Turns out if you don't descale a machine, it just sits in all the. All the water just can't get through into the coffee part and it just boils away.
So anyway, have you done the maintenance? We'd still have it. I bought a mocca master yesterday because I don't want to have to worry about this ever again.
So I'll have this until I'm dead, which will hopefully not be soon. And then the same thing with the vacuum. So I'm like, on the verge of buying a new vacuum. Vacuum. 300 bucks. Oh, well, I guess you got to do it.
And then I was like, you know what? Wait a minute. I just took it apart. Just took it completely apart. Took the filters out.
I clean the filters in the vacuum sometimes by just like, banging them out. No, it turns out you're supposed to actually wash them, like once a month with water. I didn't know that I washed it.
Colin True
00:38:47.882 - 00:38:49.154
I don't think they publicize this stuff.
Justin Housman
00:38:49.242 - 00:39:25.570
I watched this, I went through and I took I mil. Well, I was going to show it to you, but it won't matter because it's on.
This is a podcast I made, like, a long thing to like, to like, poke through the tubes to like, make sure everything was thoroughly cleared out. So much stuff came out. So much stuff. I didn't know it Was in there, there, fired it back up. It doesn't even sound the same. It's like whisper quiet.
It's sucking things up just fine. It's not. What was doing before was it would just like, you would like vacuum some stuff and then pull it and it would all just go.
All the stuff you vacuum just be like back on the carpet. You'd be like, what the hell? No, it's fine. It's perfect. It's completely. I was like a millimeter away from clicking Buy now on a new vacuum.
Just do, just do the maintenance. Just do the maintenance.
Colin True
00:39:26.870 - 00:39:30.414
I think the problem is people don't know what the maintenance is because they sell this stuff as largely disposable.
Justin Housman
00:39:30.462 - 00:40:00.570
Well, that's. It is. It is still. It's plastic. It is kind of disposable. It is eventually disposable, but it's like, it shouldn't just last a year, right?
Like, there are things you can do to like, you know, and it's like now I, now I have an affinity for it. Like, like I went from like, I hate this vacuum. It's not working anymore. This one sucks.
I gotta get a new one because then I'll be happy and I'll have a vacuum that works. And there's like.
By the time I took this thing apart and like, really, really learned how it worked and like put it back together and like washed and now it's working again. Now we're bros. This is like, I'm never getting rid of this vacuum. That's how everything should be.
Colin True
00:40:00.610 - 00:40:41.110
I think the. I do have one. I have two follow up questions. Well, the point on the vacuum is a really, really good one.
I actually had a similar thing with our washing machine where we were getting an error and it was like, what's going on? And I'm like, you know, like, do we just call someone? And I'm like, hold on a second. And I, and I'm not a handy person.
I do not seek out doing handy things. I'm not a talk to a guy. And I, and I. Yes. And I am fully comfortable with that. I've accepted that that's my.
Where I am in my life and that's what I know about myself still. I have a smartphone and I have YouTube. So I typed in my washing. The model with the error co me what it was.
Oh, look, there's a little like filter thing down here. You pop that thing out, you like pull it out. Is there probably stuff in there? Yep, all clogged full of boom, boom things. Fine.
Justin Housman
00:40:41.930 - 00:40:49.190
You would have paid a like a handyman or whatever, like 500 bucks or something like that. I just ordered a new vanity and a new bathroom sink. I'm gonna put it in myself.
Colin True
00:40:49.530 - 00:40:50.114
Amazing.
Justin Housman
00:40:50.162 - 00:40:52.546
Yeah. So anyway, just do the maintenance.
Colin True
00:40:52.658 - 00:40:53.042
I like it.
Justin Housman
00:40:53.066 - 00:40:53.506
Yeah.
Colin True
00:40:53.618 - 00:40:54.914
While wearing your bangtails.
Justin Housman
00:40:54.962 - 00:40:56.434
While wearing your bangtails.
Colin True
00:40:56.562 - 00:40:57.474
Banging some tail.
Justin Housman
00:40:57.522 - 00:40:57.746
Okay.
Colin True
00:40:57.778 - 00:40:58.258
You know, okay.
Justin Housman
00:40:58.274 - 00:41:02.900
There. There it is. There it is, folks. He got there.
Colin True
00:41:03.360 - 00:41:26.858
I wanted to say it. All right, that's the show. We want your emails, everybody. Send them into myrockfightmail.com the Rock Fight.
It's a production of Rock Fight LLC for Justin Hausman. I'm Colin true. Thank you for listening and here to take us out. I said it on Monday. I'm gonna say it again today. I'm so excited.
Russ and Jake going on tour this summer. Two stops in San Diego. I can't wait to see them this summer.
Justin Housman
00:41:26.874 - 00:41:27.370
Where are they playing?
Colin True
00:41:27.410 - 00:41:29.706
Fishbow. They're touring with fishbow. It's gonna be sick.
Justin Housman
00:41:29.738 - 00:41:30.550
Where are they playing?
Colin True
00:41:32.370 - 00:41:34.106
Observatory, north park. Observatory.
Justin Housman
00:41:34.218 - 00:41:35.418
Whoa. That's cool.
Colin True
00:41:35.514 - 00:41:46.234
Yeah, that's very cool. Good club. Good club. So. But he's here right now. He's taking a break from prepping for that tour.
Kristen makes is going to sing the rock fight fight song. See you next time, rock fighters.
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00:41:46.282 - 00:42:45.966
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00:42:46.118 - 00:42:47.390
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