Today on the show Colin and Justin talk about the turmoil caused by the Trump Administration's layoffs at various land management agencies.
They cover the ramifications of substantial layoffs that have left numerous employees without positions, thereby compromising the operational integrity of our national parks. The episode further examines the uncertainty that permeates the outdoor community as we grapple with the fallout from these sweeping (and ridiculous) changes. (04:49)
Then the guys quickly hit a couple of items to come out of the gear world including Snow Peak entering the fly fishing space and a new way to cover up your truck bed. They also talk about the amazing video making the rounds of a humpback whale that swallowed and spit out a kayaker. (21:36)
They of course wrap things up with The Parting Shot! (34:10)
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Episode Transcript
Chris DeMakes
00:00:00.080 - 00:00:07.460
Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight.
Colin True
00:00:08.240 - 00:00:24.984
Welcome to the Rock Fight, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head.
I'm Colin True, and joining me today, he's publishing a series of YouTube videos to confront all of his Rock Fight critics. It's Justin Ousmane.
Justin Housman
00:00:25.032 - 00:00:26.138
Do they exist?
Colin True
00:00:26.304 - 00:00:28.742
I don't know, but Krakauer's doing it, so I thought you'd be doing it.
Justin Housman
00:00:28.766 - 00:00:30.198
Oh, he is? Really?
Colin True
00:00:30.254 - 00:00:31.046
You don't know about this?
Justin Housman
00:00:31.118 - 00:00:32.518
No, I don't. This is news to me. Oh.
Colin True
00:00:32.534 - 00:00:35.286
This is, to me, the dumbest outdoor story of the year.
Justin Housman
00:00:35.358 - 00:00:37.174
Oh, wonderful. Let's talk about it.
Colin True
00:00:37.342 - 00:00:54.890
Krakauer has a critic, this guy Michael Tracy, I think his name is, who's been posting all of these, like, YouTube videos and I guess social media posts, like, kind of trying to debunk a lot of what Krakauer said. Into Thin Air. And I guess now Krakauer's pissed and he's posting like an eight part YouTube series. Debunking the debunking.
Justin Housman
00:00:55.950 - 00:01:22.802
That's funny. I mean, I don't know how you get to be that level of a writer with and still have thin skin.
I mean, I think I told you the other day I got a random just like, fu email to my personal website inbox just for no reasons. Did I tell you about that? Yeah, it happens all the time, but, like, you just kind of brush it off. I don't know.
I've never been one to have a thin skin especially. It's like Into Thin Air was hugely successful. He's super rich from it. Like, unless I don't know what he's. I don't. I don't even know what the guy's.
Maybe the guy has perfectly valid complaints. I don't know.
Colin True
00:01:22.926 - 00:01:54.950
Yeah, so it's kind of a why on all fronts, because I guess there have been things over the years that he has. Krakauer is, like, either revised or, like, revised a story on or updated or whatever.
Plus also, it's like we're talking about a story that took place like, over 25,000ft, like, the entire time in the middle of a blizzard. So there's gonna be some probably subjective nature to the recall here. So why are you nitpicking this thing nearly 30. 30 years later?
Yeah, 30 years later, you know, Michael Tracy. And then crack hour. Like, just let it go, man. Like, who gives a shit? Well, like, what are you doing?
Justin Housman
00:01:55.070 - 00:02:54.830
I mean, you.
You learn this as a History major, especially in grad school, like, I was, where you realize at a certain point that even things that happened five minutes ago, no one's gonna agree on anymore. Like, oh, yeah, like, human recollection is. Is a bizarre thing, and it shifts and it moves and it.
And one thing that you were rock solid certain about one day, the next day you might think, I did that. Is that real? Like, you just, you just don't know. And so it's tough. It's real, man. It is really. It is really, like, tough.
I can't imagine writing a story like that where you're. Where people's lives are, their final moments are in your hands. Right. I don't mean literally like, he was on the mountain saving lives.
I mean, where you're covering, this is someone. This. Someone died up here. This is what it was like for them. Yeah, man, that's heavy, you know, and the responsibility that takes.
And so, yeah, you got to be really careful with the facts and stuff. But, yeah, I mean, people's. People's opinions or people's memories aren't perfect. And every history is just an interpretation. So it's interesting. I.
Now I want to look at this. I'm curious what the guy says he got wrong.
Colin True
00:02:54.910 - 00:03:44.970
If you go on crack hours, Instagram. At first I was kind of on board. I'm like, yeah, you go, Jon.
Then the more I started digging into it, I'm like, I don't have time to listen, like 30 minute back and forth between you people. Anyway. Well, today Justin and I will be talking about some pretty heavy topics come out of the outdoor industry over the last week or so.
Before we get to that, I want to remind you guys, if you missed Monday's episode of the Rock fight, go back, you hear the Monday crew talk about some recent turns that may predict the future health of the outdoor industry, and then come back this Friday to hear my thoughts on this week's Outdoor Market alliance media event that's going to happen in Denver. It's actually going to be going on while this episode that you're listening to right now drops.
That episode on Friday will go up a little later in the day on Friday than it typically does, because I'll just be getting back from the Outdoor Market alliance event on Thursday night. So that's what's going on on the podcast this week. But Justin's got some newsletter, Things Happen Happen subscription, things going on.
What do we got going on, Justin?
Justin Housman
00:03:45.050 - 00:04:02.126
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Colin True
00:04:02.158 - 00:04:03.550
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Justin Housman
00:04:03.590 - 00:04:48.630
Yeah, we're not gonna give them to him. He knows, he knows better than to ask us. But yeah, it's a real newsletter, real content.
We're not just like, you know, it's not just a roundup of stuff. We talked about that. We do a little bit of that. It's, it's, it.
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Colin True
00:04:48.930 - 00:06:01.980
All right, so our top story today, which of course is presented by your hub for Ultralight gear Garage Growing gear. Head to garagegrowngear.com and check them out and we'll tell you a little bit more about them and what they have going on in a minute.
But our top story also includes a stop into Hausman's house because as the folks you write for, Justin, a lot national parks traveler who they've kind of turned from just like a resource for updates about our national parks and a resource for visiting them to a series of updates regarding last week's move by the Trump administration that fired 1,000 National Park Service employees and more than 3,000 National Forest Service employees among a lot of other government employees.
Justin, on Monday of this week, you wrote about how the staffing crisis will impact Yosemite's campgrounds, and your colleagues on the site wrote about how the layoffs were executed.
That's again over on nationalparkstraveler.org explorersweb did an article about the Denali search and rescue team having been cut in half because of these cuts. So we'll get into the Yosemite piece of it in a minute, but I don't know. I just want to clear out for a second.
What are your general thoughts here based off the vibe of what's happening in national parks, Traveler, or just even your own point of view on this kind of a.
There's a lot of craziness going on with this presidential administration, but this one obviously hits a little bit closer to home as it pertains to the outdoor industry.
Justin Housman
00:06:02.360 - 00:08:34.454
I guess the closest analog I could think of would be when there are government shutdowns or threats of them, and you don't know if parks are gonna be open, if they're gonna be. If they're gonna be. You know, obviously you can't, like, close a piece of physical land, right? But, like, are the gates gonna be down?
Is there gonna be anybody patrolling, anything?
All that kind of stuff, that kind of worry and that uncertainty that surrounds the parks when there's even a hint of a government shutdown, it's like that.
But times 100, basically right now, where it is shocking how little the people that run our national parks know right now in terms of what to expect and what's going on. Like, they. They don't have any idea, like, at this point. I mean, the firings took them completely by surprise.
The hiring freeze took them completely by surprise. It's very clear that these decisions are. Are just kind of made, like, with. On a whim, or maybe not on a whim. Maybe they're just.
They just roll out their. Their Project 2025 playbook without thought to the consequences. Well, right. And like, these are. This is. These are complicated systems.
And so, you know, the last thing that you do is put a hiring freeze out immediately at the point where all national parks are ramping up their seasonal hiring. I mean, like, national parks rely on so much on seasonal hiring. And so they don't, you know, okay, so now they're.
They're able to hire some, like, 5,000. Great. That's. I. I should know this. I don't. I'm guessing that's way less than normal.
While fir people that had been hired in the last, like, year or two, and the way they did that is awful.
If you haven't seen the reports, you know, all these people that have, like, worked their whole lives to get their dream job as a park ranger, but because they haven't been there for.
For over two years or I think that's the arbitrary cutoff date, they're all getting the exact same cut and paste email which says that you don't have the skills and the experience required to have this role. Not like, yeah, exactly. It's not like, hey, you know, sorry, we're making cuts. It's, it's just atrocious.
So national parks don't know what's going on. They don't know what's going to happen.
They have no, it's impossible to predict and to plan because tomorrow there could be a new edict that says, you know what? We're not going to have national parks anymore. So, I mean, I guess you just go.
You just kind of go about your business the way that you normally would and work with the best that you've got.
But the piece I wrote about Yosemite talks about how they've just decided to delay selling any campground reservations for five of their most popular campsites or campgrounds, three in the valley, and I think two are outside the valley. But, like, I mean, those things sell out six months in advance. And so you have, you have.
So it's not only affecting the people that work at these parks, but affecting millions of people who make their plans, who are already making summer plans that don't know where to go, don't know.
Colin True
00:08:34.462 - 00:08:35.958
What to do globally, too, by the way.
Justin Housman
00:08:36.094 - 00:08:43.510
Actually, very good point, Gez. You go to Yosemite and you're, you know, it is, you know, it's probably 50, 50 people that are from the states and people that aren't.
Colin True
00:08:43.670 - 00:08:46.118
The national parks are a big reason why people visit the United States.
Justin Housman
00:08:46.174 - 00:09:43.926
Great, great, great, great point.
And so if you are, if vendor that, that like, makes your money because you, you're airmark and you run, you run Yosemite, like, that's a huge issue for you to deal with.
If you are a local deli owner in Mariposa, one of the towns on the way to Yosemite, and like 90% of your income probably comes in the summertime as people drive through and get a sandwich on the way to the park. You. What are you going to do?
All these, you know, all these hotels, Airbnbs, all these things that are, that are, you know, in these national park gateway communities are freaked out and justifiably so. So I don't know.
I mean, the thing with the government shutdown is you always, that there's going to be a potential, like, save, and then it comes through and then, okay, everything's fine. But I don't, I don't know how you plan right now.
What, like Yosemite, another Yosemite example, you know, this was supposed to Be the first year that they make their reservation system permanent, where you have to have a reservation just to get in the park. And they put that on hold because they just don't know what they don't want to. Basically want to piss off the Department of Interior.
Colin True
00:09:44.038 - 00:10:23.692
Yeah. The uncertainty is really the most troubling thing, aside from the actual.
The human costs and the impact to individuals, which is incredibly troubling. And just sort of like the way in which this is handled, which is terrible. But in terms of. Yeah, your point. Right.
If there's a government shutdown that's going to. That in the grand scheme of things, is a. It's. It's a bump in the road. It's inconvenient at best. Like, it sucks. Oh, I got to put my vacation on hold.
Whatever. It impacts people's lives. But it's like, okay, at some point, this is a political game. It's going to get worked out and we move on.
There's no, like, we're going to do this because of X, Y and Z, and then we're going to start hiring again or be ready for the summer national park in a month. There's just no communication. They're like, no, we're just firing people.
Justin Housman
00:10:23.796 - 00:10:24.556
Yeah, I guess.
Colin True
00:10:24.588 - 00:10:27.676
Figure it out. National parks, it's like, that's exactly how it works.
Justin Housman
00:10:27.708 - 00:10:33.948
And you can't help us notice the parallels that, like, when Musk bought Twitter, they just fired half the stock.
Colin True
00:10:34.044 - 00:10:34.920
It's just so close.
Justin Housman
00:10:35.540 - 00:10:56.954
Surely you can make this work. I mean, the thing that people might not realize is that, again, you can't physically close a national park.
You'll close the gates and you can say that, but you can go in there and people will.
You know, we see this all the time, you know, and we saw this during, like, when Covid shut down a lot of parks, you know, like, people went in and just trashed places. You think that's not going to happen? You know, like, of course it's going to happen.
Colin True
00:10:57.042 - 00:11:18.506
Well, not even that. I mean, look, okay, we're talking a lot about Yosemite, and maybe we talk a little bit about Yosemite a little too much because.
But it's our proximity to it, which makes it a great example. But, like, what if a climber gets hurt? What if somebody's up there?
Like, you know, what if somebody's, like, deep in, you know, falls off el cap and there's a body to recover? I mean, like, it's dark, but it's like, there's infrastructure in place for when that shit happens that is going to be impacted by this.
Justin Housman
00:11:18.658 - 00:12:26.600
The other thing that's really frustrating and you can make this case for any of the cuts that are going on federally is the National Park Service doesn't exist to make a profit. It's not a business, doesn't need to be run like a business service, you know, and, and so there's no reason to make cuts.
I mean it's underfunded as it is drastically. So there already is already understaffed.
You know, I've been working at National Parks Traveler for I don't know, six months or eight months at this point and you know, long before anybody even thought anything like this would be happening. And like you could. A lot of the stuff with the Park Service still pretty janky. Like it's hard to get in touch with, with communications officers.
The, like the websites are different for a lot of different parks. And you, you know, it's just, you can tell it's already needs some work, right? And then this on top of it. Holy cow. I just don't know.
Like I, we were planning on going to Yosemite this in hopefully trying to get a site in August at a campground that's been closed for a few years and supposed to reopen. I don't know if we'll even bother, but it's a disaster. I mean it really is a slow motion disaster.
And I don't think people realize how confused and how little the Park Service can really do about it at this point. I mean, nobody knows. I don't even think Doug Burgum knows. You know, I doubt he does.
Colin True
00:12:27.380 - 00:12:43.758
He's just being the soldier right now and just doing what he was told to do. And like we all need to make cuts. So you make, these are, these are the cuts he has to make.
You know, you mentioned the survey we're running at the beginning and the early days of that survey for the hero on the rock fight. Definitely a few responses of people who like, oh, less political commentary, right?
Justin Housman
00:12:43.814 - 00:12:45.038
Well, this isn't even political.
Colin True
00:12:45.174 - 00:13:23.624
And that's kind of what I want to say is like now this is where that matters, right? Because it's like they're talking about a topic. If we talk about anything politics wise or the outdoors, it's usually about how it's bipartisan.
It's usually about how this is not a political topic. This is like, you know, how many times have we said and we've celebrated, oh, the Explorer Act, a unanimous pass through Congress.
It's both sides of the aisle type of thing. And this is Being included. This is something that would have been foreign, like, before.
Like, no one, like, we're going to just slash the national parks because nobody appreciates it. This impacts states. This impacts the country. It's. It's an unbelievable rollback of something that is. I mean, it's the crown jewel of America.
It's like. Yeah, because it's the pride of what we have here.
Justin Housman
00:13:23.712 - 00:13:23.928
Yeah.
Colin True
00:13:23.944 - 00:13:29.784
I mean, same with your experience, Grand Canyon. Go walk around the South Rim. Tell me how many different languages and accents you hear.
Justin Housman
00:13:29.872 - 00:13:30.538
A lot.
Colin True
00:13:30.664 - 00:13:32.730
Yeah, it's. This is amazing.
Justin Housman
00:13:34.030 - 00:14:05.024
And, you know, to people that don't want to hear about politics, I totally get that.
Whether it's because you disagree with ours or because you're just tired of hearing it, but in the sense that this is policy, so therefore it is a politics issue. It's not. This isn't like an ideological, like, tirade or anything like that. This is. This is. Look, these parks are.
If you go to national parks, if you recreate outdoors, because it's not just national parks. I mean, obviously, we talked about forest service, too. This is going to affect you. It's going to make your experience worse. Worse.
And there's no reason for it. None. Absolutely none.
Colin True
00:14:05.152 - 00:14:31.568
So you mentioned, you know, you're looking at your trip to Yosemite. My wife and I just, just last week, we're talking about, oh, in March, we should go camping in Joshua Tree. Right. It's not that far away.
And I mean, Joshua a little different than Yosemite. Honestly. You could stay just outside of Joshua Tree and, like, BLM land and, like, go into the park if you want to.
But, you know, okay, so let's say we decide to not go to Joshua Tree, and it's like, well, let's go to a state park instead, because that's not, you would assume, is not going to be as impacted by these cuts. Well, does that mean that there's going to be more stress on the state park?
Justin Housman
00:14:31.624 - 00:14:32.468
Oh, of course it.
Colin True
00:14:32.584 - 00:14:33.052
Right.
Justin Housman
00:14:33.156 - 00:14:33.724
Yeah.
Colin True
00:14:33.852 - 00:14:45.276
So it's just like, you know, I'm going to move my. My trip to Anza Borrego. It's like, well, there's probably like, three rangers that manage that part because, like, rarely does anybody go there now.
They're going to be like, oh, my God, all these people are showing up, and it's just going to create this kind of, like, snowball effect.
Justin Housman
00:14:45.348 - 00:15:40.876
Well, I should also say there's no, like, I keep. You know, I think I've mentioned a few times what happens if the parks don't open I.
Like, there's no reason to believe that that will happen unless superintendents just say, look, I can't staff it. Like, I can't let people into the Valley if I can't staff it. So I don't know. And, like, what to do about it, I guess call your.
Call your Congress people. You know, I mean, there's. That's really it. Like, right now, there's really not. Not much else you can do. I mean, they. They backtracked already.
I mean, they. They allowed. It's not like. Here's the thing. It's not like they went in and did, like, some serious, like.
Like, line by line detailed analysis of the park budget or the Department of Interior's budget and, like, found real things to. Actually, no, they just made blanket cuts. We're gonna make blanket cuts for really no reason. And so then they're like, okay, you can have.
You can hire 5,000 more seasonal employees. Go ahead. That's. That number doesn't come from anything. It's not like they. Not like they. You know, God forbid, maybe it does.
Maybe it's some horrifying algorithm, you know, but.
Colin True
00:15:41.028 - 00:16:24.776
And this is. This is the. The scariest thing about that is you're right. It was just for, like, oh, just. Just make the cuts and like, oh, we should roll that back.
Okay, we'll roll that back. I mean, same thing happened in the Department of Energy, where they're like.
They all laid off all these, like, nuclear scientists, and it's brought back a whole bunch of nucle. And to think beyond just people working, you know, the.
The more basic jobs of a national park, whether it's campgrounds or cleaning toilets or taking tolls at the. At the entrance. You know, Explorers Web had an article about Denali. Yeah, right. More.
One of the more remote parks, one of the more dangerous parks, all things considered. And they have 12 search and rescue people that's been cut in half. So now there's gonna be six. Like, six Search and rescue for Denali National Park.
Mind blowing.
Justin Housman
00:16:24.968 - 00:16:27.256
Why? I mean, that's the thing. Like, what.
Colin True
00:16:27.328 - 00:16:30.792
So what could those two sexual, like, probationary status. I know.
Justin Housman
00:16:30.816 - 00:16:54.436
And you're just like, yeah, you're just like, there's literally no. Surely at some point. I mean, the thing that's hard right now is that, like, we're all just like, you're just getting hammered with all this stuff.
You're like, okay, okay, like, unless you've been fired, this hasn't probably really impacted you yet, but it's about to. And we just none of us really know, like, what it's going to be like. And this summer is going to be.
Colin True
00:16:54.508 - 00:16:58.468
Up on Denali right now, and you, like, break your leg. And it's like, wow, we'd like to send someone up.
Justin Housman
00:16:58.524 - 00:17:12.640
That's gonna happen. People are. I mean, that's going to happen.
I mean, that's happening right now around the world with, like, the cuts to foreign aid, you know, where people are like, well, sorry, you're dead. You can't get that medicine. I literally don't tell you, you know, people are dying. So, like, that's gonna happen here. That's going to happen here.
Colin True
00:17:13.020 - 00:17:35.948
I agree that largely speaking, this is not. This is a pragmatic issue or just a crazy issue, that it is a political issue. But I'm sorry, like, this is just. This is objectively dumb.
Just like this is something that matters to our country in a. In ways that we can't even have the word.
We don't have the words articulate what the national parks mean to our country and even the National Forest Service.
Justin Housman
00:17:36.084 - 00:18:25.148
Yeah, all of it. Well, you'd think they'd be you. You'd think they'd be pumping them full of money because you can log on national forest land. So, you know. Right.
I don't know. Look, if you want to read a real. I mean, national parks traveler, that's what it's for, right?
It's national parks news, and we've done a really good job. There's nowhere else right now that's. That's. That's this, like, tuned into what's going on and has the contacts that we do.
So if you want to read more about, just go to the site. There's a link in the show notes. Okay, great. You'll see tons of. You'll see tons of pieces about it.
And the thing I want everyone to take away from this is there's no one coming to help. Like, there's no. There's no adult that's about to, like, snap their fingers and fix this. Like, this is a bad situation.
I mean, the parks are very confused, rightfully so. Nobody knows what's going to happen, barring some, like, major change, where all of a sudden they're like, you know what? Sorry, that was dumb.
And here's all the money back again. Here's all the hiring again, like, nobody knows what to expect. So.
Colin True
00:18:25.204 - 00:18:25.660
Right.
Justin Housman
00:18:25.780 - 00:18:28.800
That's what. That's the takeaway here. It's unfortunate.
Colin True
00:18:30.100 - 00:18:35.484
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Justin Housman
00:18:35.532 - 00:18:37.884
We couldn't even make one. I didn't even make one joke.
Colin True
00:18:38.012 - 00:18:39.852
No, this is very unlike us.
Justin Housman
00:18:40.036 - 00:18:42.492
I don't like this. It's not a joking matter.
Colin True
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No, it's.
Justin Housman
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There's nothing to be. There's nothing funny about it.
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Justin Housman
00:19:07.258 - 00:19:15.370
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Colin True
00:19:15.450 - 00:19:17.578
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Justin Housman
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Colin True
00:19:21.266 - 00:19:41.450
Why is Justin just standing around? Well, he thought he packed his antimatter chair and you know, he can't sit now. But they have fun.
New jolly gear, sun shirt patterns and also good name and new ultralight packs from a New Zealand based brand called Arn packs. That's a Daniel. See the Daniel over at Arn packs. He's the founder of that brand. That's a cool packaging.
Justin Housman
00:19:41.530 - 00:19:44.074
We still need to get involved in testing those bad boys out.
Colin True
00:19:44.162 - 00:19:46.682
I know they're the ones who have like the extra pack up front.
Justin Housman
00:19:46.706 - 00:19:46.972
Yep.
Colin True
00:19:47.026 - 00:20:23.562
On the extra pockets that go in the front. So that's just to name a few. There's new ultralight backpacking gear arriving each week from the best small brands in the industry.
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Colin True
00:21:32.436 - 00:22:08.776
Smarter sock fits and now back to the show. All right, coming back, we're just going to do. We have a couple of. Just got to lighten the mood around here.
We got three sort of gear and outdoor related topics to the blow through. We're not going to spend too much time on it. Then we'll get into our parting shot. The first one is Snow Peak.
This is from a press release by Snow Peak, the renowned Japanese camping brand with a 65 year legacy is proud to introduce Epic Fly Fish, a premium fly fishing brand built on craftsmanship, authenticity and a deep passion for the sport. So Snow Peak, getting into the fly fishing business. Justin, you are a fly fisher person. We've talked about that on gear and beer.
Justin Housman
00:22:08.808 - 00:22:09.740
Yes, yes.
Colin True
00:22:10.320 - 00:22:34.692
Largely speaking. Not to turn this into just like a gear review or for you to like, you know, guess what this could be.
I mean, can an outdoor brand really cross over in a category like Fisher Hunt? Is there an example of that working? I mean there's plenty of like stuff that is, you know, like Q you.
I wouldn't go on a mountain and see a lot of people climbing a mountain and Q U apparel. Right. So like, can fly fishing cross over this way? I mean, I know. Well, I mean it might be the kind of brand where who could do it.
Justin Housman
00:22:34.716 - 00:22:38.900
But what do you think? Yeah, yeah. I mean Patagonia is a great example. I mean Patagonia makes.
Colin True
00:22:38.940 - 00:22:39.412
Yeah, there you go.
Justin Housman
00:22:39.436 - 00:22:50.148
Some of the best fly fishing apparel in the world, you know. And so, yeah, big partly because Yvonne Chouinard is a very dedicated fly fisherman. So, you know, like he probably very.
Colin True
00:22:50.204 - 00:22:51.092
It's all about the founder.
Justin Housman
00:22:51.156 - 00:23:37.260
Exactly. Probably very involved in the creation of it.
You know, he knows what works, knows what doesn't, already has some, you know, already has Some legitimacy around that.
Although it's not like he's like a professional fly fisher, you know, I mean, he's obviously first and foremost known as a climber, but, you know, that's a good example right there. And I do think that there is a certain, like, it makes sense for Snow Peak in a lot of ways.
I mean, the attention to detail, the attention to quality, the attention to, like, timelessness, all of that. The, the already expected elevated price point. All of these things, I think, make it a much easier road for them. Epic Fly rods. The, the. The. The.
The press release is weird. Epic Fly rods exist. So I'm guessing what's, What's. It's not like they're. It's not a creation of their own. So what I'm assuming.
Yeah, but it reads that way, doesn't it?
Colin True
00:23:38.120 - 00:23:43.580
To introduce Epic Fly Fish. Is that just the name of their category or are you saying. So Epic Fly Rods is a different brand.
Justin Housman
00:23:44.200 - 00:23:57.184
Yeah. And it makes it seem as though. I don't know, unless they're. Unless they're gonna start making their own rods, also called Epic Fly Rod.
Like, it's, It's a bit confusing. I'm guessing, I'm guessing that they are going to sell Epic Fly Rods, probably branded with.
Colin True
00:23:57.272 - 00:23:59.344
I see they do a little stuff.
Justin Housman
00:23:59.472 - 00:24:44.378
Yeah. I don't know. Patagonia did that. Like, my first Tenkara rod is made by Sage Creek Outfitters, but it's a. Like, it has Sage Creek Outfitters on it.
I think that's what it's called. But then it's a Patagonia branded rod, so I think it might be something like that.
But Snow Peak is definitely going to make their own fly fishing apparel, and they're going to knock that out of the park. You know, I guess the real question is, are people going to buy it? I don't know. I mean, fly fishing is definitely. I mean, I'm not as into that.
Into that culture as I am some of the other things I participate in. But I. You know, fly fishing is definitely the kind of thing where you gravitate toward particular brands that you know and love.
And you're like an Orvis person. You're a. You're a Sims person, that kind of a thing. So they may have some trouble, like, eking into the hardcore fly fishing category. Category.
Colin True
00:24:44.474 - 00:24:44.922
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:24:44.986 - 00:24:53.306
Their stuff's not going to be cheap, though. I mean, there's stuff's going to be exp. Like the cheapest rod you can get from epic is like 6, 700 bucks, you know, and so plus the snow.
Colin True
00:24:53.338 - 00:24:54.490
Peak markup on that.
Justin Housman
00:24:54.530 - 00:25:10.676
Well, yeah, and so like, I. I would guess, you know, waiters that are 3, 400 bucks, you know, they're going to be. They're going to be amazing, but they're going to be expensive.
But yeah, I think they, I think they can make it work. I'm really interested to see what it is. I mean, everything I've ever had from Snow peak is fantastic. So it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense to me.
Colin True
00:25:10.778 - 00:25:15.504
All right, well, Snow Peak, you want to send some gear Justin's way? I'm sure he'll be happy to test that out.
Justin Housman
00:25:15.592 - 00:25:19.712
Fly fishing is huge in Japan, so, you know, it makes a lot of sense.
Colin True
00:25:19.856 - 00:25:44.236
All right.
One other gear thing we noticed this week because we talked also in gear and beer, about your love for the soft topper for your pickup truck, which is a sort of removable and collapsible soft top cab for your pickup truck, as opposed to just getting a hard top on there. This week I discovered something called the sawtooth truck bed cover.
I know you've also tested the flated, which is another sort of remove, removable, easy to quote unquote, put on, take off sort of.
Justin Housman
00:25:44.308 - 00:25:48.124
Yeah, I mean, really like a temporary shell, really.
Colin True
00:25:48.212 - 00:26:09.086
Right. So this, the Sawtooth, though, looks like more of like a stretchy sort of bed cover that is also has the ability that you can.
It will stretch over things. So it's not like it has to be. It doesn't.
Whatever you put in the bed of your truck, it doesn't have to be level with like the rails or anything like that. Right. So is this real competition for the soft topper? Like, what's your impression of the flated?
Like, where are you with the bed of your pickup truck these days?
Justin Housman
00:26:09.238 - 00:28:52.486
So I've always been like a big fan of having an open bed if you're gonna have a pickup to have an open bed. Otherwise, why have one? And I still feel that way 100%. But I've got, you know, I'm like anybody else. Like you.
You have one time where you're like, crap, I can't bring two surfboards to the beach because I can't. Like, you know, then you start figuring out ways to have some sort of like security or privacy rig.
And then, you know, it used to be your only option was a hard shell for the most part. And so you drop two, three grand on one that never comes off, that's gone there for the rest of the truck's life.
I mean, you can take them off but nobody does that. And now you have basically a really crappy SUV because you can't, you know, it's. You don't have the room that an SUV has inside and you.
Yeah, you have a bunch of storage space. But it's. It's awkward. It's hard. You know, it's. I just. I would never have a hard shell on my truck ever again.
So that was why I fell so in love with the soft topper because it eliminates all of that because you can just push it down and it's gone and it's not there. And so I've been testing out the flated, which is like a inflatable camper shell. Very much like a. Like a stand.
Like an inflatable stand up paddleboard. It feels exactly like that. Very hard. You can stand on the roof. Very durable, very tough.
I've had issues with the fitting on my truck, and I don't know if that's me or the. Or the unit itself where, like, it just doesn't quite seal the way it's supposed to.
And so, like, it lets a lot of water in, which was kind of my main issue with the soft topper. So I need to play around some more with flated to see whether or not it's like a keeper for me. But it's a great idea. It's a great call.
You know, I think it weighs like 65 pounds when it's. So you just like lifted it by yourself on and off the bed of the truck. What's the soft topper with no time.
Probably, actually, probably less because it's just canvas. But the flate is cool because you just inflate it. You just pick it up as a giant shell and just put on your thing.
Soft hopper does require a little bit more work if you want to take all the rails and stuff off and you can deflate it and put. And stuff it into like a small bag, which is pretty neat. But the sawtooth thing is cool. It's a stretchy. I never. I don't ever say it out loud.
I don't know if people pronounce it tono or tonneau cover. Like, but like the flat cover that goes across the bed of your truck, which is great.
But I mean, that obviously only works for things that fit underneath it.
So this is a cool idea where they have all these pictures online of, you know, people stacking boxes in the back of their truck and it sort of stretches over it. It looks a little janky to me. Like, that's kind of A weird look. I can't fathom that's that durable. I mean, you're just stretching this.
Whatever the material is, like every single time you use it. But I love the idea. I mean, I really like the idea a lot in terms of it's, you know, it's nice to.
If you're gonna have a pickup truck driving around with a shell, the visibility is awful. And so at least with something like this, you know, if you have a tonneau cover, you know, you still can see everywhere you want to be able to see.
I mean, and so there's some security.
Colin True
00:28:52.558 - 00:28:54.294
You can put stuff in there and cover it.
Justin Housman
00:28:54.302 - 00:29:53.934
Cover it up. Yeah, yeah. And you can't see it. You know, like it's. And like. Yeah, none of these are loc.
All of these, you just can lift the flap and see what's in there. But I mean, that's. That's definitely.
It's enough for where you'll like, have, you know, all of your camping in the back of your truck and you can pull over somewhere and get a burger and not be like panicked, you know? Right. But I just feel like.
I feel like the downsides to having permanent or even difficult to deal with shells far outweigh the benefit of the security and privacy. It's just so nice. But I also. It's not like my truck is not my only vehicle. If it was the only thing I had, it might be a little different.
But like, you know, we can go camping with the family in our. In our little su. Anything. And so, you know, so it's just like. It's just so nice to throw stuff in the back of a truck. I mean, you know how it is.
Like, having that open bed is fantastic. And again, I don't know why you buy a truck if you're not gonna. If you're not gonna have an open bed.
I mean, just get a burley SUV and have the same capabilities and you don't have to worry about someone taking stuff out of the back of your truck. But you have like, if you. If you're putting a shell on, you clearly don't need an open bed is the idea. So you.
I just don't know why you'd buy a truck at that point.
Colin True
00:29:54.102 - 00:30:05.066
All right, so Snow peak, Send your fly fishing gear to Justin. He'll test it. Yeah, Sawtooth. Send a truck bed cover to Justin and he'll test it and we'll do the full breakdown between flated and solitude.
Yes, that'd be a good one.
Justin Housman
00:30:05.138 - 00:30:05.790
Yes.
Colin True
00:30:06.130 - 00:30:39.780
Last sort of quick hitter apparently down in.
In the Strait of Magellan between Tierra del Fuego and mainland South America, a young man and his father were up paddling and the father was filming his son out on the waves. And a two, two massive jaws emerged from the water and closed around the little yellow inflatable and its lone passenger.
This is by via Explorer's Web. Basically, a humpback whale quickly swallowed and then spit out a paddler while. And they got it on video.
If you haven't seen the video everybody again, I'll link it in. The show insane. It is nuts.
Justin Housman
00:30:40.360 - 00:30:51.744
I've seen close calls before and when I first saw that this was going around, I assumed it was that. But no, the person disappears entirely. I don't think it really swallows him. It just. It gets him in his mouth.
Colin True
00:30:51.872 - 00:31:06.634
They can't swallow that. So they go in the article to say, you can't actually physically swallow it, so they would spit it out.
But it's just kind of like these other things where like they don't get to the people who are like having these emergency things in the backcountry. I want to hear from the guy to be like, what was it like in there?
Justin Housman
00:31:06.722 - 00:31:29.528
Well, so what's interesting, the first thing I thought of was, okay, so do, like, why would it even do that? Like, it knows it can't eat something that big. Like, what is it doing? Like, is that. Do they do that to sharks to be like, get out of here.
Like, is it like a. My like impression of what whales do now is totally different.
I just like, it tried to bite or, or can fully consume like an 8 foot long kayak and did.
Colin True
00:31:29.584 - 00:31:35.960
So I just watched it again. I mean, he goes away and then he comes up out of the water. So obviously the, the whale let him go.
Justin Housman
00:31:36.000 - 00:31:37.580
Do you think he knew what happened?
Colin True
00:31:38.800 - 00:31:47.352
It must have been the most confusing moment of this guy's life, right? And just for that moment, like, what the just happened, I'm sitting up, paddling along, and now I'm inside of. Inside a whale's mouth.
Justin Housman
00:31:47.416 - 00:31:53.006
Jonah. Yeah. You know, it smells. Smells horrid in there.
Colin True
00:31:53.158 - 00:31:55.822
Maybe not. Maybe they're. Maybe they're very hygienic whales.
Justin Housman
00:31:55.886 - 00:32:04.654
I've never been close enough for this, but I've been.
I've read a million times that like, if you're close enough to a whale when it like, like, you know, exhales through its blowhole, it's like the worst smell in the world.
Colin True
00:32:04.742 - 00:32:05.918
Oh, really? That's true.
Justin Housman
00:32:06.014 - 00:32:17.210
Well, they just eat fish or they don't Especially eat that shrimp. They eat that krill all day. Like they don't brush their teeth. And so it's just. It's just heinous.
And so I gotta think it probably smelled bad in there.
Colin True
00:32:17.520 - 00:32:19.240
I think like, sharks are shaming.
Justin Housman
00:32:19.320 - 00:32:23.940
He was in. He was. It wasn't like he was dry. Like he was fully in water.
Colin True
00:32:25.040 - 00:32:27.260
Gosh, it's insane.
Justin Housman
00:32:28.000 - 00:32:38.744
I. I can't. Like, I just freaked out just thinking about it. Thank God it's been back out. Holy smokes.
And didn't like dive to 400ft before it decided to, you know, just like, nah, this is good. Here you go. Because it could have easily just been like.
Colin True
00:32:38.752 - 00:32:42.280
Yeah, it kind of kept him in there for a while. Right? The guy that suffocates, you know.
Justin Housman
00:32:42.320 - 00:32:45.810
Oh, my God. Well, I guess he needs to be famous.
Colin True
00:32:47.030 - 00:33:05.854
Yeah. We need a movie about this.
I guess when you go back to our long running conversation around, like, better to be killed by a shark or a bear or whatever, I guess. Is this the most, like, up close and personal wildlife encounter you can have or. Probably.
There's really very low risk of anything bad happening to you other than ptsd. There's probably. What else?
Justin Housman
00:33:05.942 - 00:33:27.062
What's interesting?
Well, I don't know, but one thing I'm thinking about now is, is if you became aware of what happened, I think it'd be different than if you got attacked by a shark because that feels like. Like the shark is purposely trying to hurt you, even though it's not. It's just trying to eat. But you, there's. It's personal and you're.
And you like, you get really like this. You're like, well, you made a mistake. You obviously don't know what you're doing to this whale.
Colin True
00:33:27.126 - 00:33:36.082
This is like a vindictive whale. They're smart animals. You're like, I'm gonna go with this person. Watch what I.
His buddies are down there with him and he's like, I'm just gonna go up and swallow this guy for a second and spit him out.
Justin Housman
00:33:36.206 - 00:33:43.450
It's got to be a thing where they, they thought it was like a, like a killer whale. And they like, you know, this is like something they do for territorial reasons. Has to be.
Colin True
00:33:43.490 - 00:33:47.018
Actually, that's true. We're focusing on the guy who got swallowed. Think about being the father.
Justin Housman
00:33:47.114 - 00:33:47.978
Oh, like, there goes.
Colin True
00:33:47.994 - 00:33:52.830
You just watch your kid get swallowed by. How do you tell mom? Yeah, sorry.
Justin Housman
00:33:53.250 - 00:33:56.298
Just of all the things that you prepare for, that's not. You can't prepare for that.
Colin True
00:33:56.354 - 00:34:00.650
Not on the list. Not on the list. Yeah, but that's a good one.
Justin Housman
00:34:00.690 - 00:34:02.954
More stuff like that should happen, though, because it's fun to talk about.
Colin True
00:34:03.122 - 00:34:08.042
I know. More. Can we have more, like, weird animal encounters so we could talk about it on our podcast? Please? How do we make this happen?
Justin Housman
00:34:08.146 - 00:34:08.570
Yeah.
Colin True
00:34:08.650 - 00:34:12.510
How do we stage it? All right, let's do our parting shot.
Justin Housman
00:34:16.610 - 00:34:16.986
Okay.
Colin True
00:34:17.018 - 00:34:17.802
You got a parting shot?
Justin Housman
00:34:17.866 - 00:34:19.210
I do. This is my turn to go first.
Colin True
00:34:19.250 - 00:34:20.026
Yeah, you go first.
Justin Housman
00:34:20.098 - 00:34:24.190
Okay, So I don't want this to sound.
Colin True
00:34:25.970 - 00:34:27.610
When you start putting qualifiers of what you.
Justin Housman
00:34:27.650 - 00:36:01.240
Well, because, like, if I heard somebody say this thing, I'd be like, oh, dude, come on. I don't drive fast. Okay. I don't. I kind of used to. I definitely don't anymore. I just don't see the point. Whatever. I have kids.
It's just a whole different world. I never drive fast. I pretty much drive the speed limit.
Especially in the area that I'm about to complain about, which is when I go out to surf Bolinas, a local surf spot around here. It's a beautiful drive through national seashore. I'm not in a hurry.
It's great, but, like, it's a two lane road, and so often you end up getting kind of stacked behind a car that's going like 20 miles an hour below the posted speed limit. Right. Which is fine. I don't care. That's fine. I do that all the time. That's great. But you know what else I always do? Pull over in the turnouts.
Every single time. I just don't understand.
I don't understand how people can drive that way with just like six cars, like, on your butt, who are clearly way more aggressive than I am. And Are you just not looking in your mirror? Are you full of contempt for the other drivers? Are you scared to make the maneuver to. I don't.
I just don't get it. I truthfully don't get it. And again, I'm never. It's not like I'm mad about it. I'm just. I'm just out there driving.
And usually I'll be the one that's like, way behind the person that's going slow because I don't want to. I don't like to tailgate people. And I got a bunch of people tailgating me, and I'm like, I can't go around, like, what do you want me to do?
So, you know, I don't. I don't want to be a jerk breathing down someone's neck. But anyway, I'm just.
I just would say people look, like just because someone's behind you doesn't mean they're a jerk or driving poorly. Like, just use the turnouts. That's why they're there.
Like, you'll have a much better experience if you don't have a car, like, right on your butt all the way. You're clearly trying to enjoy a beautiful drive.
Colin True
00:36:02.220 - 00:36:03.460
They got to win a driving.
Justin Housman
00:36:03.540 - 00:36:23.748
You know, I just don't. I mean, I'm more angry with people that pass.
Even on a dotted yellow line where you can, like, all aggressively, it's like, dude, we're all going to the same place. Just chill. But anyway, I guess that's my parting shot is just don't be mad at people behind you because they might not be driving like jerks.
You might just be driving really slow. And just use the turnouts. Everyone will be so much happier.
Colin True
00:36:23.844 - 00:36:27.040
I think some people are oblivious to the point where they just don't even. They're just like.
Justin Housman
00:36:27.580 - 00:36:36.960
I mean, and that's. I think that's actually my real parting shot. It's like, I don't, you know, just, Just, just. Just look in your mirrors. Just.
Just be aware of the world around you. I mean, that's. Generally speaking, that's pretty good advice.
Colin True
00:36:37.040 - 00:37:49.654
That is good advice. My parting shot. It's just a quick one to say to everyone listening. If you haven't checked out the show Outlast on Netflix, I'd give it a go. It's a.
It's.
Outlast is a survival game show where people are dumped in the Alaska wilderness and formed into four teams of four, and then they're all competing against each other to win a million dollars. Competitors can leave the game at any point, but then.
But if they want to stay in, they have to remain team and the last remaining team is the winner. So if you do something that gets you kicked off a team and you're solo, you have like 24 hours to find another team. Otherwise you have to leave.
And the show just blends the best parts of Survivor and the best parts of a show like, alone. And I think it's worth the watch.
At the end of the most recent second season, I watched was only actually, like, one or two people that I actually liked. Everyone was kind of an asshole.
But I couldn't stop watching it and I started watching it as kind of a show, like, I would watch, like, fall asleep on the couch at night and not really care about. And by the end, I was like, I was really invested to see what would happen. So.
So I think a lot of these professionally produced adventure films or TV shows struggle to find the right balance of authentic outdoorsy ness and then, like, real world appeal. And I think Outlast crushes it. So, hey, that's just my parting shot. Check out Outlast on Netflix. Just a little recommendation for you today.
If you got something you've got time to kill, check it out.
Justin Housman
00:37:49.742 - 00:37:57.686
I wish that I understand why these shows all happen in Alaska, but I feel like they always happen in Alaska. And I'm kind of tired of them being in Alaska because it's just. It's like the same environment all the time.
Colin True
00:37:57.758 - 00:38:00.210
I think they probably get tax credits to shoot up there.
Justin Housman
00:38:00.610 - 00:38:06.330
I just sort of think there's more wilderness, you know, or just more open space. But it would. That could be why, you know, it does make this.
Colin True
00:38:06.370 - 00:38:13.790
Like, they're always. I'm sure it's the time, whatever the time of year. There's usually, like, probably late summer, early fall.
So it's always like 36 and wet, you know, and they're usually.
Justin Housman
00:38:14.370 - 00:38:19.450
Yeah. Just like. I don't like it'd be. I guess part of it probably is that there's resources there to survive on.
Colin True
00:38:19.490 - 00:38:19.658
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:38:19.674 - 00:38:19.930
You know?
Colin True
00:38:19.970 - 00:38:20.138
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:38:20.154 - 00:38:21.978
Like, you don't know if that's gonna be the case everywhere else.
Colin True
00:38:22.074 - 00:38:25.354
I feel like Naked and Afraid travels around, they put those environments.
Justin Housman
00:38:25.402 - 00:38:26.486
Other countries, I think.
Colin True
00:38:26.558 - 00:38:36.886
But I don't get the premise of naked and afraid. Like, I just. I don't know. Like, who cares if you're naked? Like, if I were.
Like, if you wanted to make it a survival show, you drop them off naked and make them make their own things. But they have to say naked the whole time. Like this dude.
Justin Housman
00:38:36.918 - 00:38:39.862
Of course, you know, I mean, there's that. That's why people watch the show.
Colin True
00:38:40.046 - 00:38:44.486
But it's not sexy naked. It's so not sexy naked.
Justin Housman
00:38:44.518 - 00:38:49.750
It's probably the kind of thing where they know you're going to. A lot of people are going to check it out at least once because they're like, oh, are they? Are they like, am I going to.
Colin True
00:38:49.790 - 00:38:50.934
Are they going to get it? Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:38:50.982 - 00:38:56.272
Or something, you know, and then you're like, oh, I guess not. But I kind of like the show. It's just a good. I mean, it's a great hook.
Colin True
00:38:56.416 - 00:38:57.408
That's true.
Justin Housman
00:38:57.584 - 00:39:03.248
I've never seen it. A single episode of Naked and Afraid or out. I don't watch Survivor. I don't know why. I'm not that interested in these shows.
Colin True
00:39:03.344 - 00:39:09.984
It's. It's the outdoor, outdoorsy version of those hgtv shows that, like, you never want to watch, but you.
But as soon as it comes on, I'm like, yeah, all right.
Justin Housman
00:39:10.152 - 00:39:21.246
I mean, like, I feel like they're always the same. It's like, okay, now this lady is going to, like, lash a bunch of logs together to make kind of like a. Like a.
Like a pretty good lean to, like, I couldn't do that. That. And she's doing it, and that's cool, but I've seen it.
Colin True
00:39:21.398 - 00:39:35.166
I think that what I liked about Outlast was the team element of it and the fact that, like, the starts is four people, then they can kind of, like, they. Some people, like, defect and try to go to other teams.
And you got to play in your head, like, well, if there's four of us who win, we got to split the money four ways. So, like, you know, it's. It's a. I don't know. I think it's.
Justin Housman
00:39:35.278 - 00:39:39.210
Would you do a show like that if. If we. If you were approached, I wouldn't be surprised if you were.
Colin True
00:39:39.830 - 00:39:56.140
This one I would do because there. It seems like there's, like, there. There comes a point when.
Then there's down to, like, a certain number of people, and they have, like, an event to finish the game. A show, like, alone where you really could be out there for, like. Like a year. No, My.
My time's more valuable than any money I can make winning that game. Not interested. I'm not a survival guy.
Justin Housman
00:39:56.220 - 00:40:36.078
I. Believe me, realize why you can't do this for all sorts of legal reasons and ethical and moral reasons.
But these shows, to me, would all be way more interesting if it was just, like, us or even someone who never camps. You have to. You have to kind of camp at least a little bit. But, like, I get that the.
I get the point of, like, let's get some, like, real prepper type survivalists out there and show off their cool skills. I get that. That's awesome.
I'm way more interested, though, in, like, what someone like me would have to come up with, you know, like, I don't know how to make any of that stuff. I don't know how to build a fire without a source, like a flame source, like, all that kind of thing.
It'd be kind of, like, would I even make it two days before I had to tap out? That would be kind of neat.
Colin True
00:40:36.174 - 00:40:46.498
I think, like, the winner of the first season alone was, like, they were out there for, like, 58 days or something like that. And then, like, subsequent seasons when they. When people were like, oh, real survival. People started getting on. It was like. Like 150 days.
Justin Housman
00:40:46.554 - 00:40:48.178
Yeah. They're like. They're starting towns.
Colin True
00:40:48.274 - 00:40:52.690
There was one guy the first season who's like, talking all sorts of. And didn't even make it through, like, the first night.
Justin Housman
00:40:52.730 - 00:40:59.506
I think it's just like, I may have seen this then. I may have seen part of this, because I remember that. Like, that's a. I loved that. Yeah.
Colin True
00:40:59.618 - 00:41:01.026
It's like, wait a minute, what is this?
Justin Housman
00:41:01.098 - 00:41:01.346
Yeah.
Colin True
00:41:01.378 - 00:41:04.146
What, did I sign up for it? No, I'm out. Take me out.
Justin Housman
00:41:04.218 - 00:41:11.402
I mean, I'm not. I'm not interested in doing it, I'll tell you that much.
But I would like to see just kind of regular folks in a situation where they have to figure out how to make it work. Work.
Colin True
00:41:11.506 - 00:41:14.522
Just like, where's my animatter chair? Bring me my animator chair. I got.
Justin Housman
00:41:14.546 - 00:41:26.698
Yeah, where's the. Like, there's somewhere to get a beer here, right? I mean, honestly, that would be a lot of it. Like, if there was like a.
Like, for some random reason, like a pub you could go to to get a beer, and then you had to go some. You know, then you had to go back to survivaling. I could probably make it a little bit longer that way.
Colin True
00:41:26.834 - 00:41:33.030
The car camping version of alone, you know, it's like, yeah, you go to town to get a pizza and a beer, but you got to go back to your camp at night.
Justin Housman
00:41:35.170 - 00:41:35.882
I can do it.
Colin True
00:41:35.906 - 00:41:36.602
I think I can do it.
Justin Housman
00:41:36.626 - 00:41:36.778
Yeah.
Colin True
00:41:36.794 - 00:41:37.418
I'll be all right.
Justin Housman
00:41:37.474 - 00:41:39.188
I'll be all right. Yeah.
Colin True
00:41:39.204 - 00:41:43.120
I can barely make it to lunchtime. I get hungry. There's no way I can make it. Like, days without food.
Justin Housman
00:41:43.500 - 00:41:52.000
But that's the thing. Don't you want to know what you'd end up eating? Like, that'd be kind of neat. Like, at what point does, like, that bug start looking tasty?
At what point are you, like, all right, I somehow caught a rat. I guess I'll eat it.
Colin True
00:41:53.100 - 00:41:54.692
I just don't think I'd be able to.
Justin Housman
00:41:54.796 - 00:41:57.012
Yeah, I don't. I frankly. I know you couldn't.
Colin True
00:41:57.156 - 00:41:58.260
I definitely couldn't.
Justin Housman
00:41:58.340 - 00:42:00.360
Yeah, I couldn't either.
Colin True
00:42:01.020 - 00:42:40.500
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