Today on THE ROCK FIGHT (an outdoor podcast that aims for the head) Colin and Justin run through some stories to come out of the outdoor community from the past week.
First up they respond to emails received about last weeks episode which featured a story about how outdoor media and enthusiasts can possibly ruin unknown mountain towns.
Then they talk about a hiker was rescued from quicksand and implore outdoor media sites to give us all a little more reporting about something crazy that happens in the backcountry before clicking that upload button.
Next they enter the House of Housman to explore the controversial topic of wildlife management in Alaska, where plans to cull bears and wolves have raised ethical questions.
The episode of course ends with The Parting Shot! This week Justin admonishes some over eager mountain bikers while Colin gives the definitive ranking of Rankin/Bass Christmas specials.
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olin
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Chris DeMakes
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Colin
00:00:52.040 - 00:01:07.660
Welcome to the Rock Flight, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head.
I'm Colin True, and joining me today, he's so hopped up on steroids, he might fulfill his childhood dream of playing for the Dodgers. It's Justin Ousman.
Justin
00:01:07.740 - 00:01:14.920
I think that's all it takes, right? Just m. Like, they don't even. They don't even bother to, like, scout people. They're just like, are you juice. You on the juice? Nice. You're in.
Colin
00:01:15.300 - 00:01:20.876
I think when you sign your kid up for Little League, they're like, here's your starter package. You know, if you take it, you'll go to the big.
Justin
00:01:20.948 - 00:01:24.972
Awful lot of syringes in this gear list here for the. For Little League.
Colin
00:01:24.996 - 00:01:28.682
Here's the cost for the uniform. You want to add a bat, a.
Justin
00:01:28.706 - 00:01:36.430
Glove, and here are the needles because you're definitely curious about what the hell Colin's talking about. I'm not taking steroids.
Colin
00:01:37.010 - 00:01:38.330
That would be awesome at all.
Justin
00:01:38.370 - 00:02:11.688
Actually, though, I have thought about it. I have definitely thought about. I thought about testosterone, thought about hgh, all that sort of stuff.
Just for, just, you know, when you're laying in bed going, I wonder if I could get, like, buffer or whatever. If you want to know what he's talking about. It's in. It's in the newsletter. Had a little nasty brush with.
With a nasty brush and was prescribed a ton of steroids. And I took them for three days and proceeded to have the most intense anxiety of my life and stop taking them. We'll just see how it goes.
We'll just see how it goes.
Colin
00:02:11.864 - 00:02:36.542
When you, you know, think about the things you hear about, typically with people take a medicine or something or some. Some Sort of medicine and there's a side effect and there's like, you know, like, ah, it'll like, upset your stomach or whatever. Like steroids.
Like, I don't know if you can take them and have them. Like, not with you. You know what I mean?
Every time I take you, at least get a little like, kind of high, like low level, like, buzz when you're on this stuff. And not a good buzz. Right. It's just, it's like, oh, you can tell them on steroids and that kind of gets overlooked.
Justin
00:02:36.606 - 00:03:00.640
Yeah. And a couple of my, like, super endurance athlete friends love prednisone, which is what I was prescribed, and they're like, can I.
If you're not gonna take it, can I have it? Like, they love it. Like, they take it before workouts and like, get a. More like a stronger workout in or whatever. It's, it's crazy.
A lot of people around here just have it anyway because there's so much poison oak that they, if they, you know, get a poison oak rash, they have prednisone line around and they just like take it for a few days.
Colin
00:03:00.680 - 00:03:01.600
And that makes it go away.
Justin
00:03:01.640 - 00:03:10.256
I guess. It worked on mine. I mean, like, check out the newsletter, folks. See the, see the photo. I mean, it looks like Night of the Living Dead style.
Like, like rotting flesh. Rotting.
Colin
00:03:10.368 - 00:03:39.708
Yeah. We'll post. Justin wrote a column for it, so we'll post that at least separately on its own, too, on the website in the next couple of days.
So the photos will be out there. It's pretty rough. Everybody I showed those pictures to before we put it in the newsletter, I'm like, hey. Like, hey, you know, you know Justin.
Ye, yeah, check it out. This is, this was his leg. The first picture when he went to the hospital thinking he had a fiction, an infection. And everyone goes, oh, God.
And then I go, oh, just hold on. And then I show them the second photo and, and then, then, you know, they either pass out or throw up. I mean, it's, it's pretty rough.
Justin
00:03:39.804 - 00:04:02.556
The, I, I, I went to a dermatologist yesterday. I didn't, I don't, I didn't really need to, but, like, it was scheduled, like, it's getting much better and it was scheduled.
So I was like, well, I'll go. Just, you know, I've never had this happen before, so I guess I may as well go and check it out. And she was legitimately surprised by how bad it got.
She was just like, holy. Like, you know, obviously I, it got into the cut that you had on your leg. It must have, because I've never really. She's like, that's.
That's pretty intense. Like, that's pretty bad. So.
Colin
00:04:02.708 - 00:04:23.801
Well, before we get into the rest of the stuff today, we do have a few housekeeping items for you. Number one, if you haven't followed and rated the Rock fight, wherever you're listening to this podcast, do that right now.
Like, we'll just keep talking. You can do it while we're talking. Like, take your phone out of your pocket, follow. Oh, yeah, good point. Don't do it while you're driving.
And, and, and unless you're in a Waymo.
Justin
00:04:23.945 - 00:04:27.225
Unless you're in a driverless taxi, then you can go ahead and do it.
Colin
00:04:27.297 - 00:04:34.969
I got approved for Waymo, actually, at my app. We don't have it in San Diego. San Diego yet. I mean, I got approved only for Waymo in Los Angeles, so I was like, yeah, I want to try it.
Justin
00:04:35.009 - 00:04:51.434
Not only do we have it in San Francisco, we have a shit ton in San Francisco. I mean, they're everywhere at this point. And you know what? I gotta say, nine times out of ten, they're going faster than I think they should be.
Like, I'll see when, like, turning, like turning a corner, I'll be like, can that thing handle that? And it's just like, like, around the corner. I'm like, that's faster than, like, a human would do it. I don't. I don't trust those things at all.
Colin
00:04:51.602 - 00:05:03.978
I don't think I'm going to trust them, but I'm in favor of it becoming a thing because I'm sure that the statistics are correct, that it is safer than human drivers, and it ultimately, if that's successful, that does lead by to way fewer cars on the road. So I'm. I'm in favor of this experiment.
Justin
00:05:03.994 - 00:05:09.510
Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I'm still. I'm. I'm very worried about. About it replacing, like, like real income for people.
Colin
00:05:10.290 - 00:05:11.530
Oh, that's a real thing.
Justin
00:05:11.570 - 00:05:24.036
Yeah, it's like, so. Yeah, right. So like, oh, okay, cool. So there's fewer car crashes. That's great. At least one would think. But also like, I. Yeah, like, okay, cool.
But also, like, you know how many people rely on, like, income from Uber?
Colin
00:05:24.148 - 00:05:29.636
Like, oh, totally. So plus, have you seen, like, the little wallies that are driving around now delivering food? The little, like, automated.
Justin
00:05:29.748 - 00:05:30.692
I've heard of this. I have not.
Colin
00:05:30.716 - 00:05:36.740
But it's like, I almost ran into one in LA this weekend. And, Mike, I turned a corner and it was cross. It was a crosswalk. I'm like, Jesus Christ, what is that thing?
Justin
00:05:36.860 - 00:05:53.650
It is like speaking of anxiety, it is so insane to me that we like every. It seems like collectively everybody is whistling past the graveyard right now. Like the entire western world is. At least America wise is doing that.
Just, you know, you know what I mean by that, right? Just, just like.
Colin
00:05:53.690 - 00:05:55.650
Yeah, because of the, the AI and.
Justin
00:05:55.690 - 00:05:58.866
All the automation, like everything, you know, and it's like, yeah, but then weren't.
Colin
00:05:58.898 - 00:06:05.602
You the guy like the horse and buggy was saying the same thing about automobiles back in the day, weren't they? Like, oh no, this is gonna. The end of the world's coming because.
Justin
00:06:05.706 - 00:06:35.020
We have self driving buggies in some ways, sure. But that, that didn't, that wasn't that that impacted one industry. You know what I mean? Like this is, this is literally impacting everything.
Like there was a big story a couple days ago that the CEO of Klarna, which is that like pay like gradually app. Like if you're buying something online, like you want to use Klarna where you can like pay over installments or whatever.
He's not, he hasn't hired anybody in two years because he says I can do all the jobs. So it's like, it's not like that has nothing to do with Waymo, obviously. You know what I mean?
Colin
00:06:35.140 - 00:06:38.620
So you should also subscribe. Subscribe to Rock Fights newsletter.
Justin
00:06:38.700 - 00:06:44.582
Sorry, that's amazing. How did we get on to the, to the, to the, to the AI thing?
Colin
00:06:44.766 - 00:06:48.010
I don't even know. I was talking about rating the podcast.
Justin
00:06:48.590 - 00:06:49.494
Oh, Waymo.
Colin
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I brought a Waymo.
Justin
00:06:50.902 - 00:06:51.530
Yeah.
Colin
00:06:52.430 - 00:07:03.046
Oh my God, that was amazing. So hey also guys, if you like, we were talking about the newsletter. You should subscribe to the newsletter.
You can get pictures of Justin's gross leg if you subscribe to the newsletter.
Justin
00:07:03.078 - 00:07:06.378
I mean normally the legs are fine. Yeah, that's not always a gross leg.
Colin
00:07:06.574 - 00:07:17.586
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Justin
00:07:17.658 - 00:07:48.298
Yeah, you can follow us on our socials or social. Social. Rock Fight is on Instagram and TikTok where we are Rock Fight Co. So we at Rock Fight Co, obviously.
And you can see videos of our parting shots on YouTube where we are simply at Rock Fight. Also you can email all your feedback and. Or questions about gear or poison oak or the AI revolution. Right there at what's our email address?
Myrockfightmail.com that's it. That'll get right to us.
Colin
00:07:48.354 - 00:09:21.490
Well, last week here in the rock fight, Justin and I talked about the social media response to an article that highlighted Davis, West Virginia as a mountain town, a mountain town you've never heard of. And our conversation focused mostly on the comments than the article itself. But we had a bunch of responses to our commentary today.
So kind of breaking out a mini mailbag and highlighting a couple of them. So the first one was from a listener named Charlotte, and it's on the topic of the town of Davis itself.
Charlotte said she moved to Davis, West Virginia after leaving a corporate job a few years back.
And in her email, Charlotte says that she lived in that town for six years, was on the town council for a couple of years and the planning commission. I moved away a year and a half ago because of how crazy things got there and not the tourists and non locals.
It was actually the locals that drove me the most insane. They seem to think that the they own the town and anyone who wasn't born and raised there is a pariah who is ruining everything.
Despite the mayor and council's best efforts to help the town plan for the increasing population of visitors, the locals fought us at every step, including voting down a zoning ordinance that would have limited the number of short term rentals where businesses could be located.
She said the access to the trails from that town is unbeatable and it is so beautiful there, which is obviously why outside was covering it and it's why Charlotte says she and her husband moved there. But I can't bring myself to go back up there anymore because of the way the locals behave. I don't know, man. What do you think?
I mean, the kind of the thing we talked about was the, you know, the premise of, you know, look at this town and then everybody freaking out, like stop bringing attention to these towns. I thought this was kind of an interesting point of view from somebody who actually lived there.
Justin
00:09:21.530 - 00:10:59.166
I mean, a lot of what she's saying could be said about my town, especially right now. So I live in Fairfax, California, which is, you know, the birthplace of mountain biking, blah, blah, blah. Access to trails is pretty damn incredible.
It's really, really beautiful. That's very little charming town, like close to, you know, San Francisco. So there's a, you know, a lot of demand and stuff like that to live here.
But you know, it's an old, it's an old hippie town. Like this is where the Grateful Dead were from. And.
Yeah, and so there's still a lot of like, that old guard here that, that either that like, claim to not want change, but sort of except when they really want change and they want it like, like yesterday. So they're like, this has been a huge issue.
Like the town council just like, flipped and like, it's been a nightmare in this town lately in terms of political, like, fighting and stuff like that about just locals trying to take back control of the town from younger town council members who are more progressive than they are and blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, anyway, so I get everything she's saying there and I think that's probably the case for any, like, cool small town where you have people from different generations that are valuing it for maybe for different reasons. But it is interesting that, like, she blames the locals more than the tourists because I feel.
I do kind of feel like, I mean, if you go to, like, if you go to a place like Truckee, which is a poster child for this now, you're not going to get any. Obviously you're not going to get any guff from the, from the tourists because you're. I mean, you're one of them. Like, so, like, I can see.
I can see how annoying it would get to. To be in a place that feels like that's like judging you by how many years you've lived there.
You know, I mean, that's about as unwelcoming as it gets. So I get that. I don't know what there is to be done about it. I mean, it's just kind of, what are you going to do? Small place, you know, new, new.
New voices. I mean, people are going to take places in new directions. That's. I guess it's just how it goes.
Colin
00:10:59.278 - 00:12:32.058
Yeah. I wonder.
We talked about, you brought up last week when we were talking about this how, you know, Patty O'Connor, when he was on the show, did a parting shot about, you know, the mountain and hey, ease up on the, you know, before you were local, you were a tourist and don't, you know, don't be. Don't gatekeep in these towns. And it kind of remind.
This reminds me a lot of that kind of point of view because, like, I just feel like there should be.
Listen, if you live in a desirable place, even if you're sort of like, you know, digging your heels into the ground of, like, trying to keep people out, you're probably going to lose. The town I lived in up in Washington before moving down here was called Gig Harbor.
And one Reason we moved there is because it reminded us a lot about the coastal towns in New England that we liked. But it kind of had the same thing that Charlotte's writing about.
And what you're talking about is that this sort of old guard, older community who did not want the town to grow at all. And it's the kind of place it's right next to, right across the bridge there, across from, on the, on the west side of Tacoma.
It's like that should have just been a place that people like living in the area. Like, hey, let's go up to Gig harbor and get lunch or go out to dinner or go out and get drinks at this place.
And there's like three restaurants and none of them are open past like 8:30 at night and you can't go. And like, there's no approvals for getting a new restaurant to like, open up.
There was like, next to impossible because they just wouldn't let it happen. Yeah, but it's beautiful. You're on this tiny harbor on Puget Sound that's protected.
So even in like bad weather days, you can kind of go out on it, like on a paddle board and not get beat up by the wind. And when the sun's out, there's Rainier and there's seals and all sorts. It's incredible. So, like, good luck.
People like us, like, who moved there then we ended up moving away, being a little, kind of disappointed in our experience there. It's like, you're not going to stop that either. So it's got to be some sort of healthy medium to be struck here.
Justin
00:12:32.134 - 00:13:28.152
Well, I think that this reminds me a lot of every time I go to Hawaii, I wonder why I've never lived there. And because it is. I mean, it's. I'm a, I'm a tropical. I'm. I'm tropical. That's, you know, like, I'm a tropical person by nature. That's.
I'd rather be there than anywhere else. Every time I go to Hawaii, I come back and I.
And I spend a few days because it makes me feel better on, on Reddit forums where people are talking about how they move to Hawaii and regret it. And here's the reason why. Probably the same thing happened to Charlotte.
Like, when you go to a place on vacation, it is a world different than when you go there to actually live there. And so I would even say the same thing about Fairfax a little bit. I love living here.
Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't move, but it's definitely like after the Feeling of like, oh, my God, I live in this cute place. Like, this place I used to just come to visit in the afternoons, and now I don't have to go home. This is home.
Like that that does wear off at a certain point. You're like, if I see that same dude in that same table at the coffee shop tomorrow, I swear to God I'm going to strangle to death. Like that.
That sort of stuff starts to creep in.
Colin
00:13:28.336 - 00:13:29.032
What happens?
Justin
00:13:29.096 - 00:14:16.230
Or like, you know, people were urging me to run for town council. And like, I watched the. The backbiting and the engines, the awfulness, like, shown to the people that are currently on town council.
I'm like, I don't want a part of that because, like, I walk around this town every day, you know, Like, I don't want to have to deal with that all the time. So there's a big difference.
I mean, it's like all you see, if all you see is like, the access to the trails and the beer you have at that awesome place that has, like a cool patio overlooking the Appalachians, or I can presume is what Davis is, is. Is near. It's just that's. It's not the same if you're like going to the grocery store there every day.
And like, right when the weather's shitty and you can't ride those trails, you know, like, it's just a different. It's just a different world. So I mean, that's kind of the thing, like with outside or any travel travel mag, like, kind of burnishing these.
These sort of little towns. It's like the one thing they can't do is show you what it's like to actually live in a place like that.
Colin
00:14:16.680 - 00:15:29.992
Well, good segue, because the second letter in our mailbag is from our guy Joe Potocheck over at Paddling magazine has been on the show before.
He sent me an email in response to the story, kind of highlighting how all of these kind of cultivated stories actually do impact a town like Davis and Joe writes. Immediate placement absolutely has an impact on the interest in towns.
It's why PR companies and destination marketing organizations have a viable business. More so, though, people want to go to places mentioned in magazines, books, movies, shows, songs, you name it.
Look at the Twilight film tours in Forks, Washington, or Key West Post, the Hemingways and Jimmy Buffetts of the world. And it isn't just small towns. Media projected, romanticizes and draws folks to live in San Francisco, Brooklyn, et cetera.
The other point is that Davis is by no means a mountain town. That no one has ever heard of. It's a gateway to one of West Virginia's best outdoor tourism regions. Just a few hours from Pittsburgh or D.C.
they have breweries, coffee shops, and an outdoor bouldering wall. Even if outdoorsy people in the region haven't gone, if they've lived in the mid Atlantic for a good chunk of time, they've probably heard of it.
Same as Truckee in California. Or just insert any about any small outdoor town in Colorado. The article title should really be the Mountain Town.
Everyone in the outdoor industry who left the east coast for Colorado in college never heard of like a solid points by Joe, have you?
Justin
00:15:30.016 - 00:15:31.752
You've been to West Virginia, right?
Colin
00:15:31.936 - 00:15:35.192
I've, like, just the tip of it. I've never really spent any time there.
Justin
00:15:35.296 - 00:15:37.416
I've only spent a couple of days there.
Colin
00:15:37.568 - 00:15:39.224
You spent more time there than me, actually.
Justin
00:15:39.312 - 00:15:44.534
And it was just on a road trip across the country. We stayed in the capital, which is Charlotte.
Colin
00:15:44.592 - 00:15:45.770
Is it Charleston? Maybe.
Justin
00:15:45.850 - 00:15:52.682
Oh, maybe it's Charleston. It's, it's, it's a, it's the same name as, like, as a much more famous city in that same sort of zone. It might be Charleston.
Colin
00:15:52.746 - 00:15:53.306
Charleston. Yep.
Justin
00:15:53.338 - 00:16:16.730
Charleston. And Charleston was awful. Like, I remember like, like walking around and being like, everyone looks so unhappy.
Like, it just felt like this, like the malaise throughout the entire town. But I mean, it was like one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. Like, West Virginia is absolutely, spectacularly gorgeous.
And so I, you know, I get why people would move there. God, you could probably. I'm sure you can buy a house in Davis for so cheap. Like, relatively speaking.
Colin
00:16:16.810 - 00:16:25.434
I guess this, the thing about, think about Joe's email. It kind of reminded me, kind of almost the point of why I brought it up of like, does this really have an impact? These articles really matter.
Do people really?
Justin
00:16:25.522 - 00:16:30.826
Well, obviously, because Charlotte moved to Davis because of presumably an article like that. Right? Sure.
Colin
00:16:30.898 - 00:16:31.178
Right.
Justin
00:16:31.234 - 00:16:31.834
I'm still.
Colin
00:16:31.922 - 00:16:32.922
It does have an impact.
Justin
00:16:33.026 - 00:17:47.942
I'm. I feel like it would be so much cooler if you go, okay, I can move to a place like Davis, West Virginia. Right.
And you'll kind of be aware of the baggage that you're going to bring and like the, the, this, the sort of tourist, local divide, all that kind of stuff. Move to Fresno. Like, Fresno is so close to the Sierra.
I mean, it's like, unfortunately in the wintertime, it's rarely clear there, so you can't always see.
But I mean, on a clear, on a random clear in the spring when the, like, the Kind of the inversion layer flips, and it's not so, like, dusty and gross, man. Sierra are. Bam. They are right there. And it's like, you could buy an awesome house in Fresno for a couple hundred grand.
You know, it's like, it's a big city. There's like a couple hundred thousand people that live there, you know, so, like, you can access all the stuff that you would access anywhere else.
There's not a lot of cultures, not like, cool nightlife, anything like that. But, like, no one's gonna be mad at you. No one's gonna be like, oh, you're Fresno up. Like, if anything, they'll be stoked.
Like, if you, like, meet somebody, like, at a Fresno and you're like, oh, yeah, I moved here because it's close to skiing and, like, mountain biking and river and rafting, all this sort of stuff. And I'm just kind of dealing with living in Fresno the rest of the year. People be fired up. Like, you'd have friends instantly. So it just.
I feel like there's probably a wealth of towns that are not considered, like, charming, cool mountain towns that you could get all that same. You know, you could find a much cheaper way.
Colin
00:17:48.046 - 00:18:09.334
Probably the next generation, right?
I mean, if the president Davis I think about, you know, Park City was, like, almost became a ghost town at one point before skiing sort of saved it, and now it's like a billion dollars. So I think, you know, they would be like, find those kind of tip of the spear towns that are on the up and up. So you're there at the beginning.
I mean, imagine being like, one of the first people to live in Aspen instead of now showing up like, I'm going to live in Aspen. Like, yeah, original idea.
Justin
00:18:09.382 - 00:18:17.394
I mean, honestly, it's kind of like me and Marin, you know, it's like we barely. We could. We, like, literally, it was like all. We barely could afford this. Like, just barely when we bought this house.
Colin
00:18:17.482 - 00:18:47.678
You're. You're just setting up really good points against the things I have in the outline here.
And we didn't even talk about this ahead of time because I also heard from a guy named Danny Twilley, who is kind of the guy working to elevate outdoor recreation in West Virginia. So he reached out, so we should probably have him on at some point to learn a little bit more about what a place, like, West Virginia.
And I'm sure he can probably relate to what you're talking about in a place like Fresno. You know, what. What is. What's happening to kind of grow the outdoor recreation in these places where it really isn't entrenched yet.
But then also, like, how these articles help or hurt from those who are actually out there doing the work.
Justin
00:18:47.734 - 00:18:48.190
Totally.
Colin
00:18:48.270 - 00:18:52.750
I mean, it's fun for you and I to sit around and just, like, make up, but we could probably get some experts on here. Probably be a good idea, you know?
Justin
00:18:52.790 - 00:18:55.810
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Are you saying we're not experts?
Colin
00:18:56.230 - 00:18:57.294
Dude, we're such experts.
Justin
00:18:57.342 - 00:19:00.750
I mean, we've lived in places like, what else?
Colin
00:19:00.830 - 00:19:02.510
You know, some would say I've lived in a place.
Justin
00:19:02.630 - 00:19:05.610
You lived in so many places, by the way, too.
Colin
00:19:06.710 - 00:19:11.086
In the US It's. It's still kind of lame, you know? Then I meet someone who's like, I've lived in 18 countries.
Justin
00:19:11.158 - 00:19:15.060
I'm like, oh, my God, that's not real. Is that real? How do you do that? I don't believe that.
Colin
00:19:15.150 - 00:19:33.140
All right, well, since we're talking about West Virginia, there was another story that came out this past week that confirmed Gen X childhood fears everywhere as a hiker was rescued from waist deep quicksand.
Apparently, the unnamed hiker in question was wandering around Summersville Lake, located in Summersville, West Virginia, when they became stuck in mud that sucked them in.
Justin
00:19:33.520 - 00:19:35.768
Is this show sponsored by the West Virginia Tourism Board?
Colin
00:19:35.824 - 00:19:40.584
I really haven't talked about it now, but yeah, come on, throw us that money, West Virginia.
Justin
00:19:40.632 - 00:19:40.952
Let's go.
Colin
00:19:40.976 - 00:20:02.270
We're talking about you every week now. The mud was there due to the lake level being lowered for the winter.
And unlike what we learned from pop culture, the risk of quicksand or thick mud isn't, you know, getting sucked under and drowning, but really not just being able to escape once you're stuck. So my. I had two thoughts on this. The first was, dang, yeah, quicksand story. I want to talk about quicksand. That's so cool.
Not cool, but you know what I mean.
Justin
00:20:02.310 - 00:20:02.526
Yeah.
Colin
00:20:02.558 - 00:20:41.864
And then the second was this building off. We talked about this a couple weeks ago. These sort of quote unquote hikers in peril stories. And I got a little note for outdoor media outlets.
Please don't publish this shit until you can talk to the person in question. Because I went in excited, like I said, a quicksand story to read this, but who is this person? I have nothing.
I have nothing but questions after leaving this article. We don't know their name. Why were they tromping around a muddy lake bed? It wasn't like there's a trail there. There's usually a lake there.
You know, like, what was the experience like, getting sucked in. I want to know when did they know what they were in trouble? How did the word make it to rescuers? And it's like, none of that in the article.
So just like, take a minute, get. Get all that stuff and then publish your article.
Justin
00:20:41.952 - 00:20:57.128
Come on. That's not how the Internet works, my friends. But it's what I clicked on. The first article you saw that says thing about quicksand.
Like, if they had to, if they spent two weeks tracking this person down, I guess you would click on it again because you're going to click on every quicksand story. So even if it is, I guess.
Colin
00:20:57.184 - 00:20:58.568
Quicksand, the update, I guess if it's.
Justin
00:20:58.584 - 00:21:10.858
Two weeks later, then everybody else, you'll still click on it. But still, I mean, that's just not. That's how it works, man. As a media person, I guarantee that, like, some. An editor saw that somewhere.
It was like, to their, you know, staff somebody, right?
Colin
00:21:10.914 - 00:21:11.738
We get this up today.
Justin
00:21:11.794 - 00:21:15.210
Yeah, we need to get this up right now. Who can do this? And you're like, okay. And it's like, well, you're not.
Colin
00:21:15.250 - 00:21:21.994
It's just so unsatisfying when you, like, you go in and you leave. Like, wait, was there anything? Actually, yeah, they found a guy. They got him out. They got a guy that's seeing.
Justin
00:21:22.042 - 00:21:27.750
They got a guy and quicksand or mud? We don't know. It's just. We're going to use quicksand. I mean, quicksand and mud are not the same thing.
Colin
00:21:28.370 - 00:21:33.536
That's true. I mean, it is a good point. Quicksand's in the title, but they did say it was mud. Maybe quicksand is mud.
Justin
00:21:33.618 - 00:21:41.680
Oh, man, maybe it is. I mean, have you ever been stuck. Have you ever been. Have you ever been, like, hiking somewhere where it's like, super gloppy and gnarly? And you're.
For a second, you're like, I'm not getting out of this.
Colin
00:21:42.540 - 00:21:43.680
Pulls your shoe off.
Justin
00:21:44.220 - 00:21:59.240
And you're like, now what do I do? Because you can't. Like, it's like, you gotta put that. You gotta put that foot down now. And you're like, yeah, I've had.
I've had a couple moments where I'm like, oh, no. Just like. Is this what it's like? Like, oh, no. You know, like, because if. God. God, that would be awful.
Colin
00:21:59.580 - 00:22:10.780
But can you imagine, though? Like, just like you're walking along, let's say, you know, okay, this guy saw, like, oh, there's a shiny Thing down there. I'm go check it out.
Oh, there's probably. It's like, oh, there's no lake here. There usually. Let me just walk down and see where the lake normally is.
Justin
00:22:11.880 - 00:22:12.448
Yeah.
Colin
00:22:12.544 - 00:22:14.176
Waist deep. He was waist deep.
Justin
00:22:14.208 - 00:22:23.408
I mean, I guess. I don't know, feel this way about. You sent me a. You sent me a. Like a. Like a YouTube reel or something recently.
Those dudes skating on that, like, crazy thin ice. Oh.
Colin
00:22:23.424 - 00:22:24.880
And it was, like, cracking while they're skating.
Justin
00:22:24.960 - 00:22:57.430
And, like, we. We've covered that before in AJ where there's. You know, that's a huge thing in, like, Sweden and Norway or whatever.
And, like, people will, like, seek out those bodies of water where it makes, like, particularly cool sounds when they're doing it. And to me, it's. Obviously, it's way more fun than just walking in mud, but I kind of. It kind of feels like a quicksand scenario to me where you're.
Where you're, like, on the verge of an unescapable, inescapable, like, situation. Probably probable death. I mean, I guess they don't think that, but I'm sure.
I'm sure that all the time people are skating on thin ice, and, like, when they go in, I'm sure that happens.
Colin
00:22:57.770 - 00:22:59.234
I fell through ice once skating.
Justin
00:22:59.282 - 00:22:59.794
Oh, my God.
Colin
00:22:59.842 - 00:23:00.402
On a pond.
Justin
00:23:00.466 - 00:23:02.204
Oh, my God. Well, how do you get out?
Colin
00:23:02.402 - 00:23:19.848
Well, so I was in. This was when I first started skating.
It was cold enough winters in Pennsylvania, and I just went on my own to this pond where I'd skated before, and I'm like, I'm gonna go to that pond. I started skating around, crack through by myself. No one knows where I am. Same thing. Like, you know, classic. You know, I know it's not outdoors.
It's skating on a pond, but you know what I mean? Like, you should have told somebody where I was going.
Justin
00:23:19.904 - 00:23:20.712
It's pretty outdoors, man.
Colin
00:23:20.736 - 00:23:21.416
Pretty outdoorsy.
Justin
00:23:21.448 - 00:23:21.848
Yeah.
Colin
00:23:21.944 - 00:23:32.652
And then so I immediately started freaking out, like, yelling. And then there's actually somebody, I guess, who's working in the park started running towards me.
By the time I saw them running, I just put my feet down, and it just came up to, like, my chest.
Justin
00:23:32.716 - 00:23:33.052
Oh.
Colin
00:23:33.116 - 00:23:36.444
So I was like, oh, now I feel like an. How'd you get out?
Justin
00:23:36.612 - 00:23:39.164
Like, you're able to climb up on.
Colin
00:23:39.172 - 00:25:19.180
The ice and sort of rolled. It kind of broke a little bit, but then. But I definitely got a little. Little light hypothermia out of that. Like, I had to sit in the car. Like, just.
I didn't have Any clothes, right? To drive back to my dorm is when I was in college and like, just warm up. So. Hey, you outdoor retailers, listen up. You're sick of it, aren't you?
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Justin
00:25:19.480 - 00:25:23.740
Well, kind of. Probably just little girls doing weird stuff. That's the sounds they make.
Colin
00:25:25.240 - 00:25:30.128
You want to tell people why? Because you have small children who are. Who are.
Justin
00:25:30.184 - 00:25:44.732
Yes, I do have small children. Yes, I'm sorry. Yes, there's not just little girls in my house randomly, but they're probably playing, making weird noises.
Like book that you thought you threw away. Like the book that makes noise. And you're like, didn't you like you. You know, me and my wife will be like, didn't you throw that away?
No, I, I, yeah, I did. And then somehow the girls have it again.
Colin
00:25:44.916 - 00:25:48.460
You go out like the next day you go out like they're, they're diving in your trash can.
Justin
00:25:48.500 - 00:26:00.252
I mean, they might stuff out. Well, there's. Raccoons are always diving on trash cans.
I Wouldn't be surprised if they're in cahoots with the girls, and the girls, like, bring them, like. Like they're working with garbage, and they're like, here's that book that your dad threw away. All right.
Colin
00:26:00.276 - 00:26:23.878
Well, this week, our rock fights. Intrepid reporter Justin Hausman weighed back in into the world of wildlife. Last week, talked about grizzly bears.
This week, in your article for NashuaParkstraveler.org, you talked about a proposed plan to eliminate hundreds of bears and wolves. Hundreds of bears and wolves in Alaska by shooting them from helicopters and snowmobiles. On the surface, at least, doesn't sound great.
So what's happening up in Alaska?
Justin
00:26:24.054 - 00:26:33.254
So it's not a new thing. This is. They've done this for a long time. They used to let you. They used to let people do this. Like, you could just. You could, like, book like a.
Like a helicopter and just go.
Colin
00:26:33.342 - 00:26:35.462
Now only robots get to do it.
Justin
00:26:35.486 - 00:26:39.456
Yeah. Now only waymo cars get to get up in the helicopter and shoot. But. Yeah.
Colin
00:26:39.488 - 00:26:43.392
Would you like, way more if it had, like, machine guns mounted on the side? Yeah, you'd probably be into it a little.
Justin
00:26:43.416 - 00:26:43.920
Yeah, probably.
Colin
00:26:44.000 - 00:26:44.672
Right.
Justin
00:26:44.856 - 00:26:45.216
Sorry.
Colin
00:26:45.248 - 00:26:46.060
Keep going.
Justin
00:26:46.840 - 00:27:14.812
But, yeah, so it's not. This isn't necessarily a new thing, but they have very strict management policies about how many animals they want.
And it's this weird thing where we play God all the time. Well, we. I have nothing to do with it, but we're like, okay, let's make sure there's, like, wolves where they're supposed to be, but not too many.
And let's make sure there's bears that are supposed to be, but not too many, you know, and like, that's, like, the bears and the wolves are doing really well there. And so it's. It's just. It's literally just culling because they feel like there's too many of them. And so is there data to back.
Colin
00:27:14.836 - 00:27:16.492
Up why they feel that way?
Justin
00:27:16.676 - 00:27:17.980
Like. Oh, I'm sure there is.
Colin
00:27:18.020 - 00:27:22.280
Like, why there are too many. They say, well, here's the impact that too many are having on.
Justin
00:27:22.660 - 00:28:31.300
So the other thing is that they. So the. It depends on who you ask like that. Like the. The Alaska Department of Fish and game or the U.S.
fish and Wildlife Service, they'll trot out some stuff that says, like, you know, if there's too many bears in an area, like X, Y, and Z can happen. The thing is, though, it's Alaska. They'll just spread out, but. Or they'll handle it themselves. Right.
And also, also, I've no, I've learned this from talking to, like, biologists a lot about stories like this. Like, nobody really knows what, like, the target number of anything is. Like, we don't know.
Like, we have a loose idea like, oh, Yosemite can probably, you know, handle 50 black bears in the valley or something. Like, but, like, we don't. We don't really know. And like, what does that even mean to, like, 50 black bears? So that what can happen?
Like, what if there's 60? What if there's 10? Like, it doesn't. We don't. There's not like, a perfect equilibrium of nature that, like, we can, like, we can manage. So it's.
It's all really thorny anyway.
But so the, but the, the, like, animal rights activists and environmentalists will point out that what they think is happening is that Alaska really wants to sell more caribou and, like, elk hunting permits. And so if they. If they have fewer predators, there will be more caribou, more elk. And so it is.
Colin
00:28:31.340 - 00:28:32.004
That makes more sense.
Justin
00:28:32.052 - 00:29:26.472
Right? And so, like, they want there to be. I. The area that.
That is under discussion right now is like, it's like 20,000 acres, and it borders Denali and Lake Clark, which are two different, like, national park and preserves. And the idea, I guess, is that, like, you know, you. You keep the wolf population down to like, 30, 35. That's it. They only.
They want there to be 35 wolves in this entire area. And so. But there's like hundreds. And like, some of the. Some of this data I was looking at, like, well, it's from. And it's from the.
I think Alaska Department of Fish and Game itself talks about how, like, you'd have to kill like, 100 wolves a year to maintain that. Like, they really. Wolves are breed pretty quick, relatively speaking. I mean, that's a lot. And so it's like, for what? You know, it just. It just seems.
I don't know, it's hard to. It's hard to justify something like that to me. But, you know, I mean, I don't know. I'm not a naturalist. Maybe.
Maybe it makes all the sense in the world, but I doubt it. And so they also want to call black bears and grizzlies all like, both kinds.
Colin
00:29:26.536 - 00:29:44.692
I guess that's what makes sense, right? Because, you know, a lot of times when I'm looking for, like, what are we going to talk about here? I go through, like, where you put up articles.
I'm like, oh, that's interesting. And even this one I'm like, okay, well, you know, kind of what's going on with the wolves and the, and the bears?
And I'm like, oh, they'll have to kill like a handful because like there's been some development or something like that. Like that, right?
Justin
00:29:44.716 - 00:29:48.756
Like, or that they're like attacking people or. No, it's nothing like that. It's just that they just feel like.
Colin
00:29:48.828 - 00:29:53.684
It was when you said in the article there's hundreds. That's when I was like, what? Like why? Why?
Justin
00:29:53.772 - 00:30:58.150
Yeah, and they, the other thing that's, that's really interesting is, you know, obviously like, like these board, these areas border national parks and you know, the animals don't know where the borders are or care obviously. And so it's like if you kill, you know, 100 wolves, that's way fewer wolves that you can see in like Denali, for example. And like wolf viewing.
Denali is a huge, huge, like income generator for Alaska.
And I saw some research that said like in 20, it was like a 10 year stretch or something like that where it was like, if you went to Denali to look at, to look at wolves, you had like a 45 chance of seeing one. And then like 10 years later, after they think they, they started doing some of this like wolf calling. It's one. You have a 1% chance.
And it's like, well, so it's like, well, who's gonna pay money to go to dollar to look at wolves if you're like almost certainly not going to see one? So it's a. Yeah, it's thorny. But again, you know, there's, there's.
I'm sure that there are very well reasoned arguments for it, but it's also really, really hard to like imagine a bunch of people in helicopters flying around just, just picking off wolves and bears and not being like, can't we, like, is that really necessary?
Colin
00:30:59.130 - 00:31:13.330
Right? And like this isn't like we discovered a den of grizzly bears in like Providence, Rhode island or something like that. I mean, it's like it's Alaska.
Well, there's nothing in Alaska for the most part. Like, like let it just handle, sort of handle it. I'm sure this is a situation where you could probably let it handle itself.
Justin
00:31:13.410 - 00:31:48.062
It also is like, it's like, you know, we're worried that there might be a couple hundred too many of these predators in an area. Cool.
But at the same time, like, there's probably a pretty good chance Trump figures out a way to like let the pebble mine go through and let's like drilling and anwar through and it's like, so we're going to be like, like that's going to be okay to have all of that impact on the natural, on the ecosystem, but, like, we better kill these, like, 100 wolves because of, of some, like, hypothetical, like, perfect balance of, of predator and prey. I don't know. Again, you know, when, when there are too many predators in the area, it screws things up.
But I don't think that, like, I feel like that doesn't happen that much. Like it sorts itself out.
Colin
00:31:48.166 - 00:31:52.222
Well. When you entered the lottery to get the ride on a helicopter, pick them up there, I mean, I got the first one.
Justin
00:31:52.246 - 00:31:54.910
That's. I got the first. I got the first lottery ticket. I'm there, I'm doing it. Just.
Colin
00:31:54.950 - 00:31:59.084
You're just in your head like, it's a. It's a predator. It's a. It's a predator. Like the alien.
Justin
00:31:59.132 - 00:32:01.436
Yeah, yeah. If it bleeds, we can kill it.
Colin
00:32:01.588 - 00:32:02.316
Exactly.
Justin
00:32:02.428 - 00:32:05.120
That's where they get to. I get to use a minigun from a Huey.
Colin
00:32:07.940 - 00:33:43.128
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Justin
00:33:43.264 - 00:33:45.576
We do record. We got a parting shot. Time.
Colin
00:33:45.728 - 00:33:47.580
I know it's time for the parting shot.
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00:33:47.920 - 00:33:50.220
It's time for our parting shot.
Justin
00:33:51.910 - 00:33:53.810
That's a parting shot.
Colin
00:33:57.670 - 00:34:01.950
Who goes first this time? I go first. I. I don't go first.
Justin
00:34:01.990 - 00:34:03.470
I don't remember. I will if you want.
Colin
00:34:03.590 - 00:34:04.190
You go first.
Justin
00:34:04.230 - 00:34:08.942
Okay. Now. Excuse me, Colin. You always write yours out so nicely, and I never do.
Colin
00:34:09.046 - 00:34:12.334
I have to. I, I won't think of everything I need to say if I don't write it out.
Justin
00:34:12.502 - 00:34:26.230
I have another one that's near and dear to my heart this time of year. And it is the, like, disregard that a lot of mountain bikers have for ignoring the like, please. From trails associations to not ride after it rains.
Colin
00:34:26.390 - 00:34:29.078
Oh, yeah, and this is a good annual tradition right here.
Justin
00:34:29.134 - 00:36:06.270
It's not. It's like, you know, it's been raining a ton up here lately. We also had a lot of like, wind events. So, like, the trails are pretty messed up.
Like, Tamarancha are big.
You know, legal single track loop is like totally off limits for like, probably a couple weeks because there's just trees down and it's been raining too much and they like, you know, they'll block it off with a little chain across the entrance or whatever. But people, you know, like, you go up there and you'll just see people have written right around it and like, just rutting the living out of it. Yeah.
And it's just like, you don't know when you see somebody riding around in their muddy, you don't know where they've been. Like, have they been on a fire road? Have they been doing that? And, like, that's fine.
But you, you know, you're at the cafe, you're at the bar, you hear people, where'd you ride? And like, they're telling you the trails. And you're like, today, like, it rained like two inches in the last two days.
Like, I just, I just don't get it. Like, it's, it's because I'm sure these are the same people who complain about the state of trails.
You know, like, all these trails are all rutted and, like, shitty in the summertime, it's like, well, why do you think that is? And it's, you know, we're under such, like, pressure to be, like, perfect up here to. To open up more spaces for us.
And so to see people, like, just disregarding that, riding around and it also just, like, it really. It, like, makes a lot of hard work for the trail crews. And I just don't get it. So I just, you know, I.
If you feel like you got a ride and it's been pissing rain and you're like, oh, just one ride, like, it's not going to matter. It does, you know, and just think of that. Just think of the trails.
Once you think of what you think of the trails, especially if you're, like, paying money for trail maintenance, like, anyway, and you're, like, donating to, like, causes, and you still go out and ride, it's just a lot more people do it than should.
It's one of those things where I know these are serious mountain bike riders and I really care a lot about the trails and stuff, but I know also know that you're riding the day after or even on the same day that it's raining and, like, let it drain, let it rest, just chill out a little bit.
Colin
00:36:06.570 - 00:36:28.254
That's way more disappointing if you think these are people who actually will donate to, like, to trail building and things like that and actually care because, like, you really should know, better assume.
But, you know, if you can't handle it, then, and you can't go, move to the northeast or the northwest or area where, like, you know, you can usually ride where the. The trails don't get impacted. Like down here. Yeah, you can't do it. And also, by the way, it's still California. It's going to dry out pretty quick.
Justin
00:36:28.342 - 00:36:31.566
Yeah, yeah. Wait till March, you know, like.
Colin
00:36:31.638 - 00:36:31.870
Right.
Justin
00:36:31.910 - 00:36:38.462
Like, tamarancho is usually like, it's like an inch a day, basically. Like, if it rained an inch, you got to wait a day. Rain two inches, you wait two days. Like, that's generally the rule of thumb.
Colin
00:36:38.526 - 00:37:03.518
All right, well, my party shot today, not traditional outdoor, but I'm getting into the holiday spirit.
And the only way to do that, right, according to me, not according to you, apparently, is the old Rankin Bass holiday specials, most of which are stop motion animation. See, those are the ones I'm talking about, folks. If you don't know the name Rankin Bass, I don't know, but a handful of them? Yeah. Rankin Bass.
Are they. A handful of them are. A handful are Drawn Animation and Justin, do you know how many of these there are? How many Rankin Bass?
Justin
00:37:03.614 - 00:37:04.570
You told me.
Colin
00:37:04.950 - 00:37:05.598
Yeah. How many?
Justin
00:37:05.654 - 00:37:06.250
17.
Colin
00:37:06.550 - 00:37:14.694
Yeah. According to IMDb, there are 17 of these. I knew there were more than we kind of traditionally watch, but I didn't know there were that many.
There's definitely some on there I have not seen and never watched.
Justin
00:37:14.742 - 00:37:15.574
I don't think I could tell, even.
Colin
00:37:15.582 - 00:37:52.446
Though there's a few, that it's tough even though there's 17. Here are my top five best from five to one. I think this is definitive.
I don't want to hear anything different about it, but because I think I've nailed it here, and I'm starting with number five with a controversial take. I'm putting Rudolph at number five. I think that's everyone's kind of universal. Number one is that Rudolph is the best one. You're wrong.
It's number five.
I think the only redeemable parts of Rudolph is Yukon Cross Cornelius, mostly for his this fog is as Thick as Peanut Butter line, which I think is classic. The Bumble. Excuse me. And then the head elf who yells. The tenor section was weak, which was a running joke in my family for, like, decades.
Justin
00:37:52.478 - 00:37:53.410
That's pretty funny.
Colin
00:37:53.750 - 00:38:07.182
The rest of the show is not great. Number four on the list. I have Santa Claus is Coming to Town. I think this would be higher if not for the acid trip song that the future Mrs.
Claus sings when she's falling in love with Kris Kringle. I hate that.
Justin
00:38:07.366 - 00:38:08.638
I don't remember it. I don't remember this.
Colin
00:38:08.694 - 00:38:09.812
Don't like it. It's bad.
Justin
00:38:09.886 - 00:38:10.312
Okay.
Colin
00:38:10.376 - 00:38:22.904
But the other big Ding on the show, and I think largely an entertaining special, but the beginning of the special, baby Klaus arrives to a bunch of toy makers named Dingle, Tingle, Ringle Wingle and Zingle. But then they name the baby Chris.
Justin
00:38:23.032 - 00:38:27.220
Well, there's not another. They already went to Z. You know.
Colin
00:38:27.680 - 00:38:32.968
Come on. It could have been a Bingle. I mean, like, let's go. Like, what are you doing? You're really gonna pull a Chris out of your ass with this one.
Justin
00:38:33.104 - 00:38:43.072
I'm going with. There was an alphabetical thing. They started with Dingle. They didn't expect to have all these kids. Kids. And then they went, Tingle, Ringle, Wingle.
And they probably thought Zingle was the last one. They have another one. Like, well, we can't go backwards.
Colin
00:38:43.216 - 00:38:48.320
What happened to 21 other Kringle kids? Like, did they die? Like, what's going. It wasn't probably.
Justin
00:38:48.480 - 00:38:52.976
I mean, most, most babies died until like the, you know, the 20th century. So, yeah, probably.
Colin
00:38:53.008 - 00:39:59.038
The Winter Warlock took out 21 of the Kringles, so they ran out of names, but. All right, number three on the list is Twas the Night Before Christmas, which is a truly bizarre tale of a.
Of a town trying to endure itself to a pissed off Santa Claus told to the lens of human and rodent patriarchs. But I think it really works. I think it's kind of underrated. We don't talk about this special enough. This is not a stop motion one.
This is a hand drawn animation one. Number two on my list is Frosty the Snowman, which I gotta think even you will sit through even if you're not a fan of these.
I think it's a nearly perfect holiday special. It's like, what, 18 minutes long. It's tight. It's good. If I could only keep one holiday special, it might come down to Frosty or the Grinch.
I'd rather have one of the shorter ones. That's how highly I rate it.
But, but even still, I think Rankin and Bass truly knocked it out of the park with my number one pick, which is the Year Without a Santa Claus. And I think that show can get dinged for some of the other problems that exist in the other specials like songs and some other things.
But it ascends above the rest for two reasons, and those two reasons are the Snow Miser and Heat Miser. I think you can't have those. That duo in a special and not give it top dog status. So that's my parting shot.
Justin
00:39:59.134 - 00:40:26.660
I. Well, I just want to. You know what I want to do here? I want to. That's good. It's good parting shot. People are ranking Rudolph wrong. But I want to.
I want to just drop in a couple. I want.
If I may, I'd like to drop in a couple holiday movies that we've been enjoying basically over and over and over and over and over again at my house. Because it's cold and it gets dark early and we watch a lot of movies now at night with the girls. If you haven't seen Klaus, check that out.
We may have. I probably got so geeked about it last year that we probably talked about it during the rock fight last year.
Colin
00:40:26.700 - 00:40:27.844
We may have talked about it before.
Justin
00:40:27.932 - 00:40:39.530
Man, that's a good movie. Sort of like a. Oh, we did. Because I wanted to talk about it as like an outdoor story because it's like, like cloudy.
Like a woodsman who like, lives out by himself. It's a. It's a beautiful story. So it's the coolest Christmas movie I've. I've seen a long time.
Colin
00:40:39.910 - 00:40:40.910
Watch that this weekend.
Justin
00:40:40.990 - 00:40:58.330
Really enjoying that Christmas, also on Netflix. Also in an animated story with some. Some kind of harrowing outdoor elements to it. You know, it's. It's worth watching.
But then, you know what really surprised me, what absolutely shocked me in terms of how much I enjoyed it was Eddie Murphy's Jingle all the Way. Have you seen that?
Colin
00:40:59.120 - 00:41:01.144
And that's. Isn't that Schwarzenegger's movie?
Justin
00:41:01.192 - 00:41:05.976
Oh, maybe it's not called Jingle all the Way. Hold on, let me look it up. Let me look it up. I thought it was. Maybe it's called something else.
Colin
00:41:06.168 - 00:41:07.784
Eddie, this is a recent movie.
Justin
00:41:07.832 - 00:41:08.200
Yes.
Colin
00:41:08.280 - 00:41:11.448
Wait, Netflix got Eddie Murphy to do a Christmas movie?
Justin
00:41:11.544 - 00:41:21.368
Yeah, I'm. God, I'm not even close. Of course it's not called that. You're right. That is the. That is the Arnold Schwarzenegger one. It's Candy Cane Lane.
And it came out, like, pretty big.
Colin
00:41:21.424 - 00:41:22.120
How did you.
Justin
00:41:22.240 - 00:41:27.700
I don't know. That's amazing because you, like, they're all. They all blend in, the names, but that's true. It came out last.
Colin
00:41:28.240 - 00:41:31.508
How much money did they pay Eddie Murphy. Murphy to be in that movie, do you think?
Justin
00:41:31.564 - 00:41:49.780
Like, not enough? No, they don't have that much. He did a great job. He did a really good job. It was a really fun holiday movie. I was so surprised how much I enjoyed it.
So if you're looking for Candy Cane lint, Netflix is doing well. Those. All three of those are on Netflix. You can tell. I. We watch a lot of Netflix in this house. But, yeah, Candy Can Land. We do.
Colin
00:41:49.820 - 00:41:53.380
I mean, but there's agreement, though, that Christmas vacation is still the undefeated number one.
Justin
00:41:53.420 - 00:41:56.800
Yeah. We haven't even watched that this year. And the girls won't let us watch Elf for some reason.
Colin
00:41:57.130 - 00:42:00.386
But I'm not the biggest Elf fan.
Justin
00:42:00.418 - 00:42:00.898
I like it.
Colin
00:42:00.954 - 00:42:06.050
I. I like parts of it. I think the end, it really unravels and I can't stand it. But the first two thirds are pretty great.
Justin
00:42:06.090 - 00:42:06.354
Yeah.
Colin
00:42:06.402 - 00:42:06.914
Then, yeah.
Justin
00:42:06.962 - 00:42:13.666
Yeah, we're just at a point where it's like, they want to watch TV every day. It's too cold to be outside at night. It's too dark too early. So we're like, fine.
Colin
00:42:13.698 - 00:42:14.674
But it's the end of the year.
Justin
00:42:14.682 - 00:42:20.802
We're all winding down. Christmas movies. It's fine. Christmas movies. We watch those on. On loop. So, yeah, we do all Right, man.
Colin
00:42:20.826 - 00:42:27.010
Well, we can wrap it up there. I think we will be back next week. I think you can expect a spare very. We will drop an episode on Christmas Day.
Justin
00:42:27.050 - 00:42:27.282
That's.
Colin
00:42:27.296 - 00:42:33.230
That's the plan right now. So we're gonna record early in the week. So you will get an episode with Justin on Christmas. It'll be your Christmas present.
Justin
00:42:33.270 - 00:42:33.870
Yeah.
Colin
00:42:34.030 - 00:42:35.054
Christmas with the Housman.
Justin
00:42:35.102 - 00:42:36.670
Yeah, I'd love that. Nice. For you.
Colin
00:42:36.710 - 00:42:39.134
He'll show up in a waymo and he'll bring you presents.
Justin
00:42:39.182 - 00:42:39.810
Yeah.
Colin
00:42:40.470 - 00:42:54.894
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