Today on THE ROCK FIGHT (an outdoor podcast that aims for the head) Colin & Justin continue their annual Halloween tradition by taking in an outdoorsy horror flick. Last year it was The Blair Witch Project this year? The original Friday the 13th!
They start the show by talking about a couple of headlines to come out of the outdoor community in the past week including an Australian hiker was caught upside down for 7 hours and a new AI that has a soft spot for wild places.
Then they delve into their annual Halloween tradition of reviewing an outdoor-themed horror movie, this year focusing on the original 1980 classic, "Friday the 13th." As they dissect the film, they explore its themes, the outdoor setting, and share personal reflections on how it surprisingly evokes a desire to connect with nature and the outdoors.
Finally they determine their favorite use of outdoor gear, and finally answer the question: does this movie make you want to go outside?
Lastly, they wrap up the show with their Parting Shots where Justin has election fatigue and Colin wants new holiday decorations.
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Colin
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Justin
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Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight.
Colin
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Welcome to the Rock Fight, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that ain't names for the head. I'm Colin Shrew and joining me today. He's still the boy. He's the boy.
He's the boy that's still there in the lake. It's, it's, it's Jason Houseman.
Justin
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Did you say Jason Houseman?
Colin
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I was gonna, but then I started screaming because I was so scared.
Justin
00:01:13.999 - 00:01:18.607
It sounded like you couldn't choose. It sounded like you called me Jason. Is Jason the name.
Colin
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Were you in the lake?
Justin
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Oh, I've been in the lake. Colin. Oh, I was in the. I was in the lake. Is Jayston. Do you think Jayston is a name, Someone's name. Someone is named Jaystin, right?
Colin
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Jason?
Justin
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Yeah.
Colin
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Oh, hell yeah.
Justin
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My. My father in Utah, who is a beautiful person, very special person. My father in law, he had a hard time with my name early.
Colin
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Saying it, you mean.
Justin
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Or generally speaking, I think just not under. He called me Jutton a few times.
Colin
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Do you still make. Is this a joke with you and your wife now?
Justin
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Oh, hell yeah, it is. You kidding me? Jurgen Jerton, you know, jerkin. What is it? What is Jerton? Is it Jerton?
Colin
00:02:03.045 - 00:02:27.219
Well, today on the show, it's our annual Halloween tradition. Reviewing an outdoor themed horror movie. Last year it was the Blair Witch Project, and this year we watched the original 1980 Friday the 13th.
And we're going to talk about that movie and, you know, the outdoorsy aspects of that film after we go through a couple of headlines, of course. And we're what. Ultimately, though, what we want to do is ask the question, does this movie make you want to go outside?
That's how we tie this all together here on our outdoor podcast.
Justin
00:02:27.267 - 00:02:28.731
That's really the only criteria.
Colin
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It really is.
Justin
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It could be because the movie is so bad, you just want to leave the house because you're just tired of watching. You just want to just take a walk. So that counts. But this movie was so good at.
Colin
00:02:36.771 - 00:02:38.675
Making me go outside. I went outside immediately.
Justin
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I immediately, like, halfway through, I was like, I need to go far from a screen for a long time.
Colin
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You know what's pretty dope? That parking lot outside of the movie theater. Just got to go hang out there.
Justin
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Smoke a cigarette, just walk around. Kind of just rethink every choice I've ever made, what led me to this place. You know, just kind of that sort of thing.
Colin
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Before we get to Mrs. Voorhees, we got a few housekeeping items for you. Please make sure that you follow and rate the show. Everyone, please click that. Good follow.
Morning, everybody.
Justin
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Good.
Colin
00:03:03.445 - 00:03:30.169
Well done. When I checked the stats this morning, picked up quite a few followers. And I'm going to say it's because we ask you this every show.
You're getting sick. We're wearing you down. So please, please click follow, leave us a five star rating.
And then while you got the app open, search for gear and beer and follow and rate gear and beer. Because that's the other podcast that Justin and I host here on the Rock Play podcast. So you should do that as well. It's a great show.
And Justin, you know, if our listeners want to reach out to us, what do you think they should do?
Justin
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Well, before I tell them that, I should mention that one of the things, if you, if you don't follow the rock fight.
God, I hate to say this because I don't want to like, I don't like to use fear as motivation, but, I mean, there will be a dude with a hockey mask and a machete at your door like it is.
Colin
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Time's up.
Justin
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Yeah, I don't know what he's going to do when he gets there. We don't have control over him. We don't have.
Colin
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He's going to say, hey, you want to go play some street hockey?
Justin
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He might be. He might just want to know, hey, do you have. I need to sharpen my machete. Can you help out? You know, I. I don't know what. We don't know what.
But just, just so you know, if you don't follow the rock fight, he. Yeah, Jason Voorhees is going to come to us.
Colin
00:04:07.991 - 00:04:12.503
So it's going to be a guy in hockey Mask, not a woman in a like a wool Irish knit sweater.
Justin
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Well, because Colin, we're going to assume, like me going into it, that you might not know everything about Friday the 13th in the original.
Colin
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Good point.
Justin
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So if, if like me, when you heard Friday the 13th you immediately thought Jason Voorhees hockey mask and machete boy, were you are you in first surprise when you watch the Original Friday the 13th.
Speaking of, why don't you go ahead and watch that movie and then email us and tell us what you thought about it at myrock fight gmail.com that is where we check our electronic mail. You can also head over to Rock Fight Co. That is our Instagram handle.
If you want to visit us on the socials while you are on our news or while you're on our website just perusing all the wonderful content that's there, feel free to go ahead and join the mailing list. Also something if you don't do that, Jason will come for you for that as well. So yeah, he's not going to bother you if you don't email us.
We would like you to. He's fine with you not emailing us. He's fine with you not following us on Instagram.
He is going to come to your house if you don't sign up for the newsletter though, unfortunately. So that's what he's told us. That's how he's outlined it to us.
Newsletter not following on whatever podcast network you listen to us on that will bring him to your house.
Colin
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All right, well let's go through a couple of quick headlines we can stay on on brand before we get into our movie review. So firstly from the Inertia. This is, this is like funny and scary inertia.
Justin
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This came from the inertia. Yeah, that's a surfing website, Colin.
Colin
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Well, they have a mountain page. Mountain surf.
Justin
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All right.
Colin
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And so a woman in New South Wales, she was out for a hike and this is in Australia, obviously that's where New South Wales is when she dropped her phone between some boulders and decided to try and retrieve it. And in the process she fell head first down a three meter crevice and became stuck upside down for seven hours.
Yeah, her friends that were there tried to help but ended up having to call for call emergency services. Then rescue workers had to set up a pretty elaborate winch to move several boulders that weigh between 176 and 1100 pounds.
Justin
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It's a big range.
Colin
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The woman is fine, but the phone was.
Justin
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She never found her phone.
Colin
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Never recovered. Yeah.
Justin
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Oh my God, I love that. I love that range of boulders.
Do you remember that social media thing from a few years ago when it was like, Colorado state parks put this out and it was like, there's a boulder. There's a large, large boulder the size of a small boulder in the middle of the highway. And it was like. Or it might have been the other way around.
A small bowl the size of a large boulder. They didn't mean. It was just literally like, it just so they just lived up, became this huge meme. I mean, that's kind of what this is.
Colin
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I mean, it goes to show you a boulder can. There's a wide array of sizes that a boulder can be.
Justin
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I could. I have a hard time. Like, I wonder how big 176 pound boulder is. It's probably like the size of a big pumpkin, right? Boulders are heavy.
Colin
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Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point.
Justin
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Boulders are heavy. That's a. That's the kind of.
Colin
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There's your takeaway from this story you're going to get. I mean, it's easy to make fun of this thing, but, like, I was immediately went to. I'm kind of claustrophobic.
Like, being stuck in there and not being able to move. I think for seven hours. I definitely would be.
I mean, at what point do you stop freaking out and just kind of accept this is where you're going to be?
Justin
00:07:05.935 - 00:07:10.355
I would freak out. I'm super claustrophobic. She couldn't even, like, cut her own arm off.
Colin
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Not that it would help upside down.
Justin
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That might have been my first. Well, Ralston cut his arm off. I could try that. I don't think it'd even necessarily help here, you know, but, like, I give it a go.
Like, there's nothing for you to cut off. What? Your eyes, like, burst out of your head after seven hours of being held up.
Colin
00:07:25.395 - 00:07:29.419
Try just like bending over for like 30 seconds and it's like, oh, you.
Justin
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Think she got my head really smart during that period, like, as all the blood in her body, like, like, went into her head, like, all, like, massive amounts of oxygen in her brain.
Colin
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She goes from, like, screaming to just like, doing math equations out loud.
Justin
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And she developed, like, a different kind of trigonometry while she was down there speaking different languages. That's actually how you Access the remaining 90% of your brain that you don't use. You just have to be upside down for.
We were designed, like, to, like, be like bats, like, in a cave where we slept in. I don't. I don't know. This comes from my, you know, anthropological background. But humans actually evolve. Sleeping upside down like bats in caves.
And so the more blood that rushes to your head, the smarter you get. So we've. We've really gone backward evolutionarily because of ours.
Colin
00:08:07.399 - 00:08:13.559
Maybe it was that she. She didn't not retrieve her phone then. It was never retrieved.
She just decided to leave it behind because she was so smart, she didn't need it anymore.
Justin
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This phone. Yeah.
Colin
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Although I do have to say, like, okay, so what was she doing that she dropped the phone? I mean, I guess he could be taking picture. Or do you think she was browsing something or looking something up and then tripped?
Justin
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It was like, oh, no, I'm sure she was taking a selfie.
Colin
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That's what you think it is.
Justin
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Or like, hey, look at me hop over these boulders, just carefree.
Colin
00:08:30.615 - 00:08:37.279
We did a story a couple weeks ago. We talked about, well, they got. People got stuck and they're on the end of a climbing rope for whatever it was, like 18 hours or whatever that was.
Justin
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Yeah. That's awesome.
Colin
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Would you rather be upside down in the rocks or hanging from the end of a climbing.
Justin
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I think maybe the rope for the one you could probably. Presumably you could see, like, you'd be just like. It must have been, like, kind of dark where she was. I still.
I haven't, like, clicked on the link, so maybe it gets into it. I don't understand how that could. Like, how could you have fallen so hard that you got stuck? Like, if you went in, you should be able to come out.
Like, couldn't your friends just, like, pull your feet? Why they have to, like, how they have to move the boat. Maybe the boulders moved. Oh, that could be it.
So where I used to surf, you know, when I was younger, on the Central coast, a lot of the spots that we surfed involved, like, some pretty big boulder hopping to get down to the water.
Colin
00:09:15.513 - 00:09:16.009
Yeah, sure.
Justin
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And, like, everyone saw those would move and it was just like. Like you would hop on the same boulder every day. Like, huge. Like the size of like, a Volkswagen.
And then one day you'd hop on it and then it would, like, move. Fuck, yeah. So maybe that's what happened.
Colin
00:09:28.501 - 00:09:34.901
Maybe. I mean, I guess at least she had her friends there because imagine being stuck there by yourself and you're like, okay, this is how I'm gonna die.
How long is this gonna take?
Justin
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Feet sticking up and you're just like, jackpots.
Colin
00:09:38.125 - 00:09:42.533
Bunny cartoon. Yeah, well, the bogan came along and took the shoes.
Justin
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The sock says. The sock says AC Irvine on It.
Colin
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That's how it was. He.
Justin
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That.
Colin
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This is. He was. She was paying homage to Sandy Irvine.
Justin
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It was A. It's A.C. irvine, right? That was what it was. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Colin
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Andrew. I forget what the C's for, but Andrew, I'm glad that she's okay. And I guess that let that be a lesson. Lesson.
Keep your phone away, you know, don't go looking on your phone and falling down.
Justin
00:10:03.825 - 00:10:11.739
We don't know that it didn't fall out of her pocket while she fell, upset, like she could have tripped, fallen, and it fell out. I was like, no, she said she went to retrieve it. Okay. Never.
Colin
00:10:11.787 - 00:10:26.075
She did go to retrieve it. Okay, let's put this way. If that thing.
If I don't know what she saw, but if it's like you're looking down and it's like black and you can't see the phone and like, that had to be pretty. Like, the chance of success had to be pretty close to 100% for me to go dig it around.
Justin
00:10:26.235 - 00:10:27.059
Just get on the phone.
Colin
00:10:27.107 - 00:10:28.135
Yeah, I'll just get.
Justin
00:10:29.195 - 00:10:30.371
It's about that time.
Colin
00:10:30.483 - 00:10:51.021
I'm with you. I'm with you. All right, one more story. So this is from Futurism.com it's an AI story.
While developers were recording a coding demonstration, the latest version of Claude. Excuse me, Claude, Anthropic's current flagship AI, which I think does work on coding. We looked at that up. Right. So I'm getting a lot of ads.
Justin
00:10:51.053 - 00:11:00.597
For Claude in like, in like podcasts I listen to. So I think I don't. Claude will be the thing that we all, like, have to, like, serve pretty soon, I would guess.
Colin
00:11:00.741 - 00:11:03.269
Well, whatever Claude does or its primary function.
Justin
00:11:03.317 - 00:11:05.885
Yeah, we don't want to say anything. Don't say anything bad about Claude.
Colin
00:11:06.005 - 00:11:07.733
Yeah. Claude, we're on your team.
Justin
00:11:07.789 - 00:11:08.069
Yeah.
Colin
00:11:08.117 - 00:11:14.679
Because while the developers were working, Claude has opened up Google, started browsing photos of Yellowstone National Park.
Justin
00:11:14.847 - 00:11:25.215
I couldn't like this any more than I do. I mean, I despise AI's very existence, but less so now. Like, right.
Colin
00:11:25.295 - 00:11:28.087
It's just like, you look at pictures of Yellowstone, dude.
Justin
00:11:28.151 - 00:11:33.039
Just like. It's just like, fuck, I'm so tired of this. You know what cool is Yellowstone. Of course.
Colin
00:11:33.167 - 00:11:37.255
What if he was the underlying thing maybe actually searching for how do I set off the super volcano?
Justin
00:11:37.295 - 00:12:01.315
I was thinking that. I was literally thinking that exact thing.
Maybe it's like this is the easiest way, the most efficient way for me to, like, I can take out most of North America. Yeah, yeah. Like one Like. Like, nuclear device might be the thing that, like, sets off the super volcano.
I mean, it is kind of alarming that of all the parks you looked at, the one that, like, potentially, if you wanted to cause a problem that you could figure out, like, some sort of, you know, get some, like, evil, like, geologist on board.
Colin
00:12:01.615 - 00:12:31.283
I do like what this tells us about behavior, though, because, like, when I worked in an office, and I know you haven't had a lot of office jobs, but, like, back in, like, early 2000s, early days of the Internet, or when there's, like, solitaire on your computer, if you were caught playing solitaire or browsing the Internet, you would just be vilified. Like, just like, oh, man, that guy's always on the Internet.
You know, now you work from home, and it's like, I need those little micro breaks, you know, it's always like, all right, I'm writing something like, oh, I watched two seconds of this YouTube video. Okay? Now I'm back at it over here. Whatever. So I think, you know, I think this, Claude, is a very human side of themselves.
Justin
00:12:31.379 - 00:12:51.055
Theoretically, this should be a good, like, defense, right? You're like, look, the computer intelligence gets bored and it's surfing the web, like, why can't it die, right? It's smarter than me.
It's more efficient than me. Isn't the whole point of AI that, like, it doesn't get tired and doesn't need a break? Well, turns out that's fucked. Thanks, Claude.
Colin
00:12:51.215 - 00:13:32.629
Well, after a raucous response to last year's Halloween episode where we talked about the Blair Witch Project, Justin and I had a lengthy debate about which outdoor horror film to do this year before we finally settled on, I mean, it might be kind of the original Cabin in the woods movie. If not, it's one of them. The original Friday the 13th from 1980. So before we get into the movie, let's set the stakes.
We're going to run through the whole movie. If you haven't seen it, we're going to be spoiling it. Along the way, we're going to talk about, like, you have seen it.
We are going to go through what happens in the movie, and then we're obviously going to get to the important categories of whether or not we liked it, the best use of outdoor gear and apparel, and most importantly, did this movie make you want to go outside? So before I get started here on our sort of, like, you know, synopsis, anything you want to add, Justin?
Justin
00:13:32.677 - 00:13:40.405
Yeah, makes it. This would be an excellent time to make some popcorn and to get yourself some Sour Patch Kids, which to me is a phenomenal combination.
Colin
00:13:40.565 - 00:13:41.269
Mm.
Justin
00:13:41.397 - 00:13:42.985
You ever eat them at the same time?
Colin
00:13:43.685 - 00:13:45.821
No, I've done like M and Ms. In popcorn.
Justin
00:13:45.893 - 00:13:55.111
That's good too. But yeah, Sour Patch Kids and popcorn at the same time, just phenomenal. So, yeah, go make yourself some popcorn and then we'll. We'll save you the.
I mean, you should watch the movie too. We'll save you the truck.
Colin
00:13:55.143 - 00:13:57.447
It's on Paramount. Plus if you have that. I think it's on Amazon.
Justin
00:13:57.551 - 00:14:08.299
Virtually everything. Yeah. YouTube TV. It's free. It's not free on Amazon, but it is on YouTube TV. But that will be enough.
Colin
00:14:08.467 - 00:14:33.657
Friday the 13th.
All right, so Friday the 13th came out in 1980, and the movie starts set in 1958 at Camp Crystal Lake, where we see two camp counselors sneak off from their group to have sex in a barn or something, where they are promptly murdered.
Justin
00:14:33.721 - 00:15:06.605
Now, this part of the film, I don't want to say it sets you up for exactly what the rest of the movie is going to be like. This is going to sound weird, but it all. It's. It's also kind of a.
This movie really, really overpromises at the beginning because, like, the opening scene is like a pov. Pov. Someone walking, presumably the killer. Yeah, yeah. Walking slow, into like a. Like a. Not a dorm.
Whatever you call, like, where everybody sleeps at camp, right? Like, they're all like, bunk debt.
Colin
00:15:06.725 - 00:15:07.341
Bunk house.
Justin
00:15:07.413 - 00:15:49.305
Yeah, bunk house. It looks really cute. Looks really, like cozy. And you're just like. But you're, you know, you're like.
All these thoughts went through my head, like, is this going to be like. Is this going to be like a. Like. Because it looks. It's all menacing and there's that weird. That weird music.
And I don't remember if that had already started or whatever, but like, I was like, oh, this will be really funny. I bet this is like a panty raid. And, like, it's going to be all right. Like, it's going to cut to, like some kids running out with, like, panties.
But no, it's presumably the killer kind of like just deciding who they're going to kill. But you get like, oh, this movie is going to be creepy and, like, cool.
And Turns out the rest of the movie is largely slow moving POV killing shots, but somehow aren't thrilling or interesting in any way, shape or form.
Colin
00:15:50.005 - 00:16:13.157
We then skip to present day, which in this case is 1980, and where we meet Annie, a hitchhiking camp cook who's trying to get to the reopen. The now reopening camp Crystal Lake, and is given a ride by a townie who warns her that nothing about the camp's trouble pass.
That there's nothing that's good about the camp that has this trouble pass. And it started after a young boy drowned there in 1957.
Justin
00:16:13.301 - 00:16:13.901
Yeah.
Colin
00:16:14.013 - 00:16:21.661
We later come back to Annie, who's picked up by another driver who slashes her throat in the forest. Any. Any. Any Annie thoughts? That's kind of Annie's whole arc right there.
Justin
00:16:21.693 - 00:16:25.981
Yeah, that's pretty much it for Annie. Didn't get to see the. She never got even. Got to see the camp.
Colin
00:16:26.173 - 00:16:27.165
No, she never made it.
Justin
00:16:27.205 - 00:16:28.133
She's. Yeah, she's done.
Colin
00:16:28.189 - 00:16:40.381
I really thought she was going to be the final girl, the way it's like, oh, we're opening on this person. Okay, this is the.
This is going to be our audience Avatar, the person who's like, okay, she's going to be the one we know the most and makes it through to the end. Nope. About 20 minutes in.
Justin
00:16:40.493 - 00:17:04.189
Yeah. The movie does a really good job of. Of you having absolutely no idea who, like, the hero is going to be, if they're. Or. Or the. Whatever.
You don't know. I mean, like, which is amazing because, like, back then you would have seen, like, one trailer and you'd be like, I don't know.
So you go see the movie, you have no idea what's happening, what to expect. But yeah, like, you. You definitely think Annie is going to be, like, the main star and she.
Colin
00:17:04.357 - 00:17:05.269
Not the case.
Justin
00:17:05.397 - 00:17:16.173
Not the case. She shows up with a.
With an external frame backpack, which is an unusual choice for someone who's going to be sedentary in a campground for weeks at a time. Not. I don't know, maybe she's like, loading.
Colin
00:17:16.189 - 00:17:19.757
It full of food and delivering it to all the cabins. Like, I don't really know.
Justin
00:17:19.821 - 00:17:27.293
That was like, the only. She didn't own a suitcase. That seemed like an odd. Like an odd choice. Awfully chipper, too. She was very excited about her new.
Colin
00:17:27.309 - 00:17:30.845
Role and not really averse to inappropriate touching by adults.
Justin
00:17:30.885 - 00:17:41.203
Yes, yes. So she. You'd think. You would think that any one of these things would have sent. Set off, you know, maybe sent up some red flags to a girl who's.
What do you. How old do you think she's 17, 18?
Colin
00:17:41.259 - 00:17:43.649
Well, she's on her own hitchhiking. She got by at least 1890s, but.
Justin
00:17:43.696 - 00:17:49.659
In the 70s, like, people did that when they were like, That's a good point, Toddlers. Were hitchhiking and smoking cigarettes in the 70s.
Colin
00:17:49.707 - 00:17:50.739
Such a cooler time.
Justin
00:17:50.867 - 00:18:00.155
She. I think it's in the actual diner. People are like, don't want to go there. And then, like, then crazy Sam, crazy Steve, crazy.
Colin
00:18:00.195 - 00:18:00.827
Oh, is it Ralph?
Justin
00:18:00.891 - 00:18:01.475
Ralph, yeah.
Colin
00:18:01.515 - 00:18:03.771
Oh, yeah. I miss Ralph in the synopsis here. Yeah, yeah.
Justin
00:18:03.843 - 00:18:07.699
So this guy walks out who looks like. He looks like he would have been.
Colin
00:18:07.707 - 00:18:09.267
In like your drunk uncle kind of.
Justin
00:18:09.291 - 00:18:29.527
But also he has kind of vacant face, old guy, vacant fate, rubber face that you would expect to be the crazy man in any 1970s or 1980s horror film. Like, you weren't be sure if he's going to be like a good guy or a bad guy. You know, like, he might. He might save you.
Like, like, had he appeared at the end to save everyone, I would have been like, that makes total sense, actually.
Colin
00:18:29.551 - 00:18:31.231
That would make. That would have been a better movie.
Justin
00:18:31.303 - 00:19:33.885
He. He. So he, like, appears and starts, like, he just seems biblical, right? Like, he looks like he stepped out of the Old Testament.
And it's just like, there's a death curse. And she's like, well, huh? And he's like, no, don't go there. There's a death curse. And she's just like, okay, great.
And then she gets in the truck with the guy, the local trucker guy, who just like, hoists her into the truck by her ass and like, taint area, like, just completely inappropriate. She seems seemingly fine with that. He proceeds to explain to her about all the death that's happened.
The kid drowns and there's murders and murders and murders and murders. And they shut it down and they reopen it and there's murders and she's just like, dude, you're nuts, old man.
Like, I'm going, you know, like, classic. Ah, your K. Yeah. Like, he's angry at her that she's a kid. Why he's giving her a ride there is fucking beyond me. He's like, telling her he.
She shouldn't go. And her only response is, as he tells her over and over again, you should quit. Her response is, I can't. That's it? No explanation. Money trouble?
We don't know. She's some sort of, like, blood oath. We don't know. For all we know, you just. You just have no idea. But she's.
Colin
00:19:33.925 - 00:19:38.661
The studio is paying the writers by the amount of words, like, don't write too much.
Justin
00:19:38.733 - 00:19:49.973
Just determined to go. And the other thing that's kind of bizarre about it is like, he drops her off at like, what, like an intersection? And then she gets into another car.
Like, that's a lot of work. Like, that's a lot of work. Script writing is kind of weird. Like, why would you.
Colin
00:19:50.069 - 00:19:51.573
You can't get there. You can't get there.
Justin
00:19:51.669 - 00:19:53.745
He just dropped her off at the camp.
Colin
00:19:54.285 - 00:19:55.821
Well, it was another 10 miles or so.
Justin
00:19:55.853 - 00:20:15.169
Probably he didn't even. He had already just gone 20 miles for no reason. Like, I'll. I'm not even going that way, but, yeah, I'll take you.
It's just weird that she got out of one car and then into another car. It's confusing because you're like, wait, why is she getting into someone else's car? Like, I don't know what the hell's going on? Oh, it's a jeep.
Cool. And then. But. But the jeep. You get that POV again.
Colin
00:20:15.297 - 00:20:25.633
Well, that's when the jeep then shows up, because we have another jeep that comes in. Because then we get to the camp. Right now we're at the camp, and there's a whole other group of counselors.
We got Ned, Jack, Bill, Marcy, Brenda, and Alice. Wait, say that again.
Justin
00:20:25.729 - 00:20:26.465
Say that again.
Colin
00:20:26.585 - 00:20:29.125
Ned, Jack, Bill, Marcy, Brenda, and Alice.
Justin
00:20:29.425 - 00:20:32.825
Remember that scene in Goodwill hunting where he tell. He was. He's. He's talking.
Colin
00:20:32.865 - 00:20:33.945
Oh, it does his brother's names.
Justin
00:20:33.985 - 00:20:42.203
Dude, it's the best. It's one of the best scenes of all time. I don't know how many takes that must have rattled rattlesnakes. Like 11. Billy, Bobby, Tommy, Timmy.
Timmy, Jimmy. Incredible. And Steve or whatever.
Colin
00:20:42.339 - 00:21:04.375
Yeah. So they're helping camp owner Steve, speaking of Steve, get the camp ready for campers. And they're wondering when Annie's going to join them.
But then Steve has to leave to get supplies ahead of the coming storm. The rest of the counselors take a dip in the lake. And then Ned sees someone in a cabin and follows them. He gets himself murdered.
They don't show him getting murdered. We only realize that he is murdered because later he's stuffed into the top bed of a set of bunk beds.
Justin
00:21:04.795 - 00:21:08.931
Then later, that must have been his bunk. Let's assume that that was his bunk. Sure. Yeah.
Colin
00:21:08.963 - 00:21:19.387
You know, and then later, Jack and Marcy have sex in the bottom bunk of the same bunk bed. And that's where we achieve gratuitous nudity in a 80s horror movie. We level up to that.
Justin
00:21:19.451 - 00:21:20.019
Yep.
Colin
00:21:20.147 - 00:21:29.451
They don't know that Ned is above them. And then Marcy goes to leave to use the restroom, and someone jams an arrow through Jack's throat.
And then Marcy takes an ax to the face in the bathroom.
Justin
00:21:29.523 - 00:21:40.786
Now, let's, let's. Let's catch up a little bit here. We haven't. I don't believe we've mentioned who Jack is in this film or who plays Kevin Bacon. Kevin. Dr.
Kevin Bacon, Esquire.
Colin
00:21:40.884 - 00:21:41.277
Yes.
Justin
00:21:41.375 - 00:21:44.173
He looks maybe 11 years old.
Colin
00:21:44.349 - 00:21:51.541
He looks so young. I mean, he's aged beautifully if you see him these days. But like, man, does he look young in this. I guess.
Well, this must have been after Animal House, though, right?
Justin
00:21:51.613 - 00:21:51.917
I don't know.
Colin
00:21:51.941 - 00:21:52.805
Is that his first movie?
Justin
00:21:52.885 - 00:22:08.705
I don't even know. I honestly didn't. I've never seen Animal House. I wasn't sure he was in that. I know, I know. He basically. He looks. He's like a.
He's like a much manlier, more handsome Luke Skywalker, I would say, is how he looks. Same hair. As does Alice. His. Like.
Colin
00:22:08.745 - 00:22:09.185
Oh, yeah.
Justin
00:22:09.265 - 00:22:12.685
Who is like the somehow some authority figure of some kind.
Colin
00:22:13.225 - 00:22:23.793
She was the first counselor there. Right. She was helping Steve when the other ones arrived. So I think she's sort of been helping out the most.
But, but, but the point being that the two of them, male, female, doesn't matter. Same haircut.
Justin
00:22:23.849 - 00:22:42.969
Exact same haircut. When they, when they, when they on the screen, if they're not looking at the camera, you honestly don't know who's who at a certain point.
It's absolutely insane.
And just, you know that, you know, we think we're so proud of ourselves in, you know, the 2000 and twenties about gender fluidity and being open and all this sort of thing. But back then, you could just go to any hairstyle.
Colin
00:22:43.017 - 00:22:44.505
There was like four haircuts you could get. Right.
Justin
00:22:44.545 - 00:22:48.489
You're just going to get one of these haircuts. Yeah. And they had the same one. And you go to a barber and.
Colin
00:22:48.497 - 00:22:50.725
You point to a picture on the wall, like, I'll take that one.
Justin
00:22:51.345 - 00:22:56.481
Yeah. It was unfortunate. Like, it's weird to see Kevin Bacon get offed in a movie.
Colin
00:22:56.633 - 00:22:57.105
Yeah.
Justin
00:22:57.185 - 00:23:02.673
I mean, you bring your decades of baggage in when you watch it. Like, well, here's a huge star. Obviously not then.
Colin
00:23:02.809 - 00:23:03.425
Not then.
Justin
00:23:03.505 - 00:23:10.205
And poor dude just takes the arrow through the. Right, through the throat. Yeah. Gotta be. Gotta be a bad way to go, I would think.
Colin
00:23:10.245 - 00:23:12.693
So here's. I wanna take issue with the killer in this scene though.
Justin
00:23:12.709 - 00:23:12.861
Right.
Colin
00:23:12.893 - 00:23:21.621
Cause as we spoiler for what comes ahead, I mean, it's. Mrs. Voorhees is the killer. Right. So she's presumably under the bed the entire time they're having sex.
Justin
00:23:21.653 - 00:23:23.269
Yeah. And then just Jams an arrow through it.
Colin
00:23:23.317 - 00:23:33.565
Right. Why did she let them finish having sex? Why didn't she just take care of both of them in the middle of it?
Wouldn't that be more satisfying for someone who's mad about camp counselors having sex? Because. You know what I mean?
Justin
00:23:33.645 - 00:23:41.911
Yeah, you're right. You'd think she'd want to deprive. Well, we don't know that yet, but you would think she would want to deprive them of the satisfaction, the benefit.
Colin
00:23:41.943 - 00:23:49.191
Of understanding what's coming. But it's like, wait a minute. You're like, are you down there? Like, is she into it? Like, what's happening under the bed?
Until, like, you know, later she might.
Justin
00:23:49.223 - 00:24:12.307
Maybe she was. It's also worth noting that this woman later on, when she's revealed to be the killer, gets pushed down very easily by very small young women.
And I think a toddler came out at one point and knocked her over. Yeah. And I'm supposed to believe that she was able to, like, thrust an arrow through 1970s era, like, frame, box, spring, mattress, and human neck.
Colin
00:24:12.371 - 00:24:14.187
I find that very hard in, like, one shot.
Justin
00:24:14.251 - 00:24:15.775
Can an arrow even do that?
Colin
00:24:16.515 - 00:24:17.259
Pretty sharp arrow.
Justin
00:24:17.307 - 00:24:18.891
She didn't shoot it. She was laying under there.
Colin
00:24:18.923 - 00:24:23.995
She, like, stabbed it. Well, and there's. Where's the leverage? You only have, what, like 12 inches? 18 inches? I don't even know that.
Justin
00:24:24.075 - 00:24:27.699
I don't even think that's. I think the arrow's longer than that. I don't think this makes any sense.
Colin
00:24:27.827 - 00:24:32.699
They clearly did not consult, you know, any sort of scientists when developing the script.
Justin
00:24:32.787 - 00:24:39.737
And, like, why. Like, there's really. There's a lot of archery for no reason in this film. A lot of, like, death by arrow.
Colin
00:24:39.881 - 00:24:42.729
And she had a machete and an ax. I think I would go with either one of those.
Justin
00:24:42.777 - 00:24:47.385
Like, enclosed quarters. Why are you bringing a bow and arrow inside a cabin? That doesn't make any sense.
Colin
00:24:47.465 - 00:25:02.957
So, bottom. Mrs. Voorhees, we have some notes as you go on your next killing spree. Well, I guess you're not going to. As we get to the end of the movie, but.
So then we cut back to another cabin where there's an inspired round of strip poker. And then Brenda leaves strip Monopoly. Oh, my goodness. I just, out of habit, wrote poker in the alley. You're right. Strip Monopoly, which is.
Justin
00:25:03.081 - 00:25:04.141
I'll try it.
Colin
00:25:04.333 - 00:25:05.789
Yeah, I. Well, sure, maybe.
Justin
00:25:05.917 - 00:25:07.185
When do you strip?
Colin
00:25:07.765 - 00:25:12.293
When you. Instead of paying, I guess. Or when you land on someone. Wasn't that was. They would land on, like, a hotel.
Justin
00:25:12.349 - 00:25:14.005
Like, take your shirt off.
Colin
00:25:14.085 - 00:25:14.885
Take your shirt off.
Justin
00:25:14.925 - 00:25:19.885
Now. It's like just place, but it's a monopoly. So, like, basically, you're gonna have a bunch of naked people for like, four hours.
Colin
00:25:20.045 - 00:25:25.581
Well, that's what I mean. Like, every hour and a half, somebody takes something off. I mean, like, I don't know. I think it was just to be edgy.
Justin
00:25:25.653 - 00:25:27.909
Monopoly is a long game. You get cold.
Colin
00:25:27.957 - 00:25:28.229
Yeah.
Justin
00:25:28.277 - 00:25:28.869
Naked that long.
Colin
00:25:28.917 - 00:25:40.609
They didn't finish it in the movie. Because then Brenda went to bed. Right. She went to leave. And so she's ready for bed.
She hears someone calling from help, which is obviously the killer. She goes out to investigate, and then is killed at the camp's archery range.
Justin
00:25:40.657 - 00:25:49.193
Now. Now, do you remember this? I feel like it's a boy's voice calling for her, but that must have been calling for help.
Colin
00:25:49.329 - 00:25:52.361
But obviously it's definitely meant to be a little kid for sure.
Justin
00:25:52.393 - 00:25:55.085
Yeah. But obviously that's Pamela Voorhees.
Colin
00:25:55.425 - 00:25:56.673
Yeah. Doing her.
Justin
00:25:56.729 - 00:25:59.689
Doing her. Kill me or kill. Kill her.
Colin
00:25:59.777 - 00:26:01.073
Kill the mommy.
Justin
00:26:01.209 - 00:26:11.295
God, that's so fucking awful. So that I had to rewind that scene a million times to decide, like, is this a. Who am I hearing calling? Because it's quiet.
It's a very quiet call for home.
Colin
00:26:12.035 - 00:26:21.243
So Alison, Bill decided to go. They get a little suspicious about what's going on where everyone is, so they go looking for everyone.
They find the ax that killed Marcy, like, laying in a bed, which was weird.
Justin
00:26:21.299 - 00:26:23.803
Yeah. All tucked in, just all, like, cozied up.
Colin
00:26:23.899 - 00:26:25.035
Well, there's a little tiny bit of blood on.
Justin
00:26:25.035 - 00:26:26.935
It was, like, made. There's, like, here.
Colin
00:26:28.155 - 00:26:42.005
They discover the phone lines have been cut. And then as Steve, the camp owner, is returning to camp, he gets stabbed just outside the campus entrance.
And then Alice finds Bill's body pinned to a door by arrows.
Justin
00:26:42.125 - 00:26:51.117
Steve's death is easily. Is easily the most like. Come on, man. Like, I don't remember why he left. Do you remember why he left?
Colin
00:26:51.141 - 00:26:52.325
He said he need to get supplies.
Justin
00:26:52.365 - 00:26:54.213
He had to go get some stuff. So he had to go flirt with.
Colin
00:26:54.229 - 00:26:55.309
The old waitress at that diner.
Justin
00:26:55.357 - 00:27:17.237
There's just like, this. You forgot he was even in this movie. Movie. Like, you've been. People are dying. You're like, I still don't have any idea what's going on.
Because at this point in the movie, you have no idea who the killer is or why they're doing it. Right. All you know is anytime there's a POV shot, someone's gonna get killed. And then Steve.
Steve Bales, presumably gets Some supplies and then has like a lovely, like, what is it, pie or something. He's like sitting in a cafe, eating.
Colin
00:27:17.261 - 00:27:18.365
A piece of pie in there, some.
Justin
00:27:18.405 - 00:27:24.521
Coffee and some pie raining and it's like super. You're like, that's. That's such a nice night for this guy.
Colin
00:27:24.653 - 00:27:46.033
It made me miss east coast diners. I know there's diners everywhere, but there's something about like those kind. It's a little bit like you said, about how you get.
Sometimes get nostalgic for like the lakeside stuff. That's only on the East Coast. That kind of diner too. Like, kind of. I don't know, like the curly haired older lady, like working.
She's probably been working at a diner for like 35 years. You know, always really nice, you know, like, yeah, I want to go hang out at that diner for like four hours and eat pie and drink coffee.
Justin
00:27:46.089 - 00:28:06.677
Yeah, he just had a nice. That was his last meal, you know, and he just like shows up, literally walks right into. It's also the funniest one because it's pov. And he just.
You just see this like, dude, like walking up a rain slicker and you can tell he like recognizes whoever it is that's about to kill him because he's just like, hey, hey. And then just like his. Just the shock of being stabbed by. We don't know what, they don't show up.
Colin
00:28:06.701 - 00:28:09.925
We also should mention that Steve is a member of the Justin Housman All Stars.
Justin
00:28:09.965 - 00:28:15.581
Yeah, yeah. Under that slicker he had nothing but jorts and some like leather danners.
Colin
00:28:15.773 - 00:28:20.781
Everything this guy wears and how he presents to the public is right in line with how Justin Houseman would love to see.
Justin
00:28:20.853 - 00:28:26.715
That's how I think of myself when I'm walking around. Like, even though, like right now, I mean, I don't have long hair. He had like a mustache, right?
Colin
00:28:26.805 - 00:28:27.895
He had a mustache, yeah.
Justin
00:28:27.975 - 00:28:37.863
Glasses. I don't have any of that shit. You know, I'm wearing clothes. He was just, you know.
But in my head right now I have glasses on, a mustache, jorts, no shirt, boots with like wool socks and.
Colin
00:28:37.879 - 00:28:39.719
Like short, short shorts. Like short shorts.
Justin
00:28:39.767 - 00:28:41.743
He looked giant boots, shorts, man. He looked.
Colin
00:28:41.799 - 00:28:52.527
He did. No, but it's like, it's just such a different time.
Like anybody you see someone like walking around in short cut off jeans with no shirt on, a scarf around your neck and giant hiking boots, you're gonna be like, what the fuck's wrong with that guy?
Justin
00:28:52.591 - 00:28:57.395
That's all I want from people. That's what that's kind of what I want people seeing me just be like, there's something a little bit different.
Colin
00:28:58.195 - 00:28:59.635
This guy is Justin's people.
Justin
00:28:59.715 - 00:29:01.935
Yeah, I was really, really sad that he got killed.
Colin
00:29:02.955 - 00:29:21.539
All right, so then after Alice finds Bill's body pinned by the arrows, that's when Mrs. Voorhees arrives and she reveals to, at this point, Alice who's our last, our alone survivor. The boy who drowned in 1957 was her son Jason.
And she blames his death on the camp counselors who were too busy getting high and having sex to prevent her son's death.
Justin
00:29:21.627 - 00:29:29.205
Now this. That is easily the lamest motivation I could think of for, like, a serial killer in a movie.
Colin
00:29:29.245 - 00:29:30.453
Those kids were fucking.
Justin
00:29:30.629 - 00:30:02.913
Like, what a weird. If you're sitting down to write a script, it would take me forever to come up with that, and not in a good way.
Like, we need this lady to be mad about. What's her motivation here, you know, like, so easy to go with.
Like, someone was taking her property away, and that was her property, and she was like, fuck you. I'm going to kill anybody who comes in here. That would have made sense.
But your kid, or that your kid drowned and just drove you to insane grief, that's fine, but, like, right, but, like, no, it was the fault of the camp counselors who were, like, boning while he was drowning.
Colin
00:30:03.009 - 00:30:20.505
Well, I think this is pretty much of the time. I think even if you go back, even Halloween, which is a similar but vastly superior movie, the people, the kids who have sex die.
Jamie Lee Curtis, the quote unquote virgin, survives Nightmare on Elm Street. Same things happen. It's very much a early slasher movie trope where the people who are fucking.
Justin
00:30:20.545 - 00:30:23.305
Dying punish the sexually active kids.
Colin
00:30:23.385 - 00:30:28.133
I think this is very much of the time, right? It's easy to associate that. That with, like, bad behavior.
Justin
00:30:28.189 - 00:30:35.685
And your movie was actually funded by the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan was the executive producer of this film.
Colin
00:30:35.805 - 00:30:38.933
Who knew on every movie from 80:89, she does.
Justin
00:30:38.989 - 00:30:41.749
You know, Pamela Voorhees does kind of look like Nancy Reagan a little bit.
Colin
00:30:41.757 - 00:30:44.525
She's got a little Ronnie in there. Oh, a little Nancy in there. Yeah, I can see the haircut.
Justin
00:30:44.565 - 00:30:44.805
Yeah.
Colin
00:30:44.845 - 00:30:45.157
Yeah.
Justin
00:30:45.221 - 00:30:46.741
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Colin
00:30:46.933 - 00:30:56.497
So those two then start fighting because Mrs. Voorhees then tries to kill Alice because, you know, that's what she does. The fight makes its way to the lakeshore. Alice is able to decapitate Mrs.
Voorhees with the machete.
Justin
00:30:56.521 - 00:30:58.793
After, to your point earlier, just like.
Colin
00:30:58.929 - 00:31:05.281
You know, you, like, you ding her ankle. And Mrs. Voorhees goes down. But somehow she's managed to kill how many people in the cast? Like 15 people or whatever.
Justin
00:31:05.313 - 00:31:08.233
It was like young, like young men, like at the peak of their physical fitness.
Colin
00:31:08.289 - 00:31:13.153
Right. Annie, what would you say was she? 18, 19, sprinting through a forest. No match for Mrs. Voorhees.
Justin
00:31:13.209 - 00:31:14.281
No way. Yep.
Colin
00:31:14.313 - 00:31:20.713
Yeah. So then Alice, you know, she's exhausted after because she just decapitated somebody. Watch all her friends.
Justin
00:31:20.769 - 00:31:25.441
All of her friends have died and she's just decapitated a middle aged woman. That's classic.
Colin
00:31:25.473 - 00:31:29.489
Friday night. Yeah. Because It's Friday the 13th, which they barely.
Justin
00:31:29.577 - 00:31:31.825
Which. Which is almost not referenced at all.
Colin
00:31:31.865 - 00:31:38.145
Maybe once not referenced an hour in, they finally say that it is actually Friday the 13th. You.
Justin
00:31:38.225 - 00:31:47.537
This movie might have had three hours that they cut where there's like all kinds of backstory exposition where they're like, should we tell the people who's the murderer? Nah, we don't need to. We don't need to do that.
Colin
00:31:47.601 - 00:31:52.937
Let's cut all this dialogue, but keep all of these scenes where we film them walking like 100 yards but nothing happens.
Justin
00:31:53.121 - 00:31:55.183
Make it slower. Can you make it slower?
Colin
00:31:55.369 - 00:31:56.051
Right.
Justin
00:31:56.203 - 00:32:05.867
This movie is like you waiting for something to legitimately scare you the entire fucking time. And it finally does at the very. At the very end. Can I, Can I do the big reveal?
Colin
00:32:06.011 - 00:32:06.267
Sure.
Justin
00:32:06.291 - 00:32:06.643
Well, hold on.
Colin
00:32:06.659 - 00:32:15.495
So. So we had. So Alice goes out in the lake, right? She falls asleep and she wakes up and sees two police officers on the shore. It seems like it's.
Well, but then what happens?
Justin
00:32:16.555 - 00:32:23.219
The coolest scene in movie history, I think. I mean, honestly, I. So I've rewatched it a couple times.
Colin
00:32:23.387 - 00:32:27.255
89 minutes leading up to this. What made it. It was all worth it because this one thing happened. Happened.
Justin
00:32:27.335 - 00:32:28.519
Yeah. Don't you think?
Colin
00:32:28.647 - 00:32:29.959
Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's great.
Justin
00:32:30.047 - 00:32:37.831
So she's so. It's like, it's. It's the beautiful morning. She's in this, like, very small, you know, the lake is small. She's in a canoe.
Colin
00:32:37.943 - 00:32:39.535
The score has completely changed.
Justin
00:32:39.615 - 00:33:41.405
You feel like there's nothing menacing going on. There's like police on the other side of the lake for some reason. For some reason. And she's like, oh, fucking did it. I made it out.
Like, this is great. And she's awfully peaceful for having literally just cut someone's head off not that long ago as she wakes up.
And just as you're like, well, I guess it's.
There's like some kind of like shrieking Music and fucking Jason Voorhees at 9 years old, bursts out of the water behind her in the canoe, covered in like, algae. And, like, he's obviously been decomposed.
He's clearly been decomposing this lake for 20 years or however long it's been, and just grabs her and she's like this shocked face and falls back in the water. And at no point has the movie done anything half this cool. Like, there's no jump scenes, there's no jump scares in this movie.
Like, nothing in any way has prepared you for this scene. And I. I guess maybe it succeeds for that reason. Like, had the whole movie been like that, you might not have. You might have been waiting for it.
But, like, you are.
Colin
00:33:41.485 - 00:33:47.237
Sound like a 35 minute short film with that as the ending interview. You would never stop talking about this as, like, the greatest horror thing of all time.
Justin
00:33:47.301 - 00:34:24.003
It is. It is one of the coolest scenes I've ever seen. It also seems like. Like an entirely different production crew made it.
Like, it looks better than anything else in the movie. It's like they brought in Kubrick for this somehow. It's like everything about it works and you're. And you were just so caught off fucking guard.
Which is amazing because it's a slasher movie where in theory, who. You didn't know who the killer was until, like five minutes before this. So theoretically, you're primed for, like, something weird happening.
But you are so not expecting this because they've done such a bad job of developing any kind of terror or. Or anything that make you uneasy throughout the entire film. What a brilliant scene, really needed to be the very end of the film. But it's not.
Colin
00:34:24.139 - 00:34:41.035
It's not, because then we cut to Alice waking up in the hospital. She's surrounded by doctors and a police officer who tell her that they didn't see Jason. And of course then she.
Like I alluded to the very opening of this today's show. They reply, well, then, like, Justin Houseman, he's still out there. He's still out there, folks. Yeah, he's still out there. And they cut the plaque.
Justin
00:34:41.115 - 00:34:52.594
Yeah. So I guess. I guess I don't even know what that looks. What is that supposed to mean? Like, did they go, like, I don't know. No.
Surely they didn't listen to her. Like, was the idea they were gonna go, like, drag the lake for, like, a boy? I mean.
Colin
00:34:52.714 - 00:34:59.650
Yeah. I mean, if anything, you think she's delusional. Like, okay, you just watched all your friends get murdered and you Cut someone's head off.
I'm not gonna worry about what you think you saw in the lake.
Justin
00:34:59.722 - 00:35:09.122
No, for sure. Also, like, there's no. They don't explain any. Like, so I guess. I guess he dragged her into the lake, and then she, like, passed out and didn't drown.
Like, what happened? We don't know.
Colin
00:35:09.298 - 00:35:27.237
Here's what. And I guess, you know, that's what happened in the movie. And really, after thinking about this and after listening. Cause you're absolutely right.
Cause even beside the Jason reveal, even the Mrs. Voorhees stuff was great. Cause you could not guessed ever that she's gonna be the one who shows up to be the murderer.
As you're watching this whole movie for the first time.
Justin
00:35:27.301 - 00:35:31.213
No. Because you don't know she exists. That's the thing. You don't know.
Colin
00:35:31.349 - 00:35:37.005
And you think that she's gonna help. Like, oh, this old lady just showed up. Sweet. She's gonna get some help. Nope. She's the actual murderer.
Justin
00:35:37.085 - 00:35:37.533
Yep.
Colin
00:35:37.629 - 00:35:39.189
And, well, you knew that was a fact.
Justin
00:35:39.237 - 00:35:43.397
You knew that when the jeep. When she gets out of the Jeep, you're like, oh, this lady's obviously the murderer.
Colin
00:35:43.421 - 00:35:44.579
But it's still kind of shocked.
Justin
00:35:44.737 - 00:35:58.471
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, but they've done, like.
Can you think of another horror film where unless the whole point is it's like a serial killer who done it and they don't have any idea. Like, there. You have no indication in any way, shape, or form of who might be doing this? Like, none.
Colin
00:35:58.503 - 00:35:58.671
Right.
Justin
00:35:58.703 - 00:36:15.339
They haven't given you any other than a kid died in the 50s. There's not been any. No one's hinted that, like, and his mom was nuts or. And his mom went up. Nothing. You have no idea who's.
For all you know, it's going to be one of the camp counselors, you know, like, exactly. No idea.
Colin
00:36:15.387 - 00:36:37.019
So. But what I will give this movie credit for is that most horror movies run out of gas by the end.
Like, all the good stuff's in the first two thirds of the movie. And then the finale is like, oh. And then they're like, possessed. Or, you know, it just sort of, like, explains it away.
This was the opposite, where it was like, am I gonna make it to the end of this movie? Cause it's so goddamn boring and the kills aren't even that good. And then at the end, you're like, oh, shit, this is actually kind of great.
Justin
00:36:37.187 - 00:36:42.491
Maybe they wrote the entire movie around that last scene. Like, they had that last scene in mind. Like, how did we get to this point they didn't.
Colin
00:36:42.563 - 00:36:43.555
They added it late.
Justin
00:36:43.635 - 00:36:52.263
I know. I was trying to get. That scene was tacked on. I wasn't even part of the original, like script apparently.
Colin
00:36:52.359 - 00:36:57.679
But you're right, it should have been. Canoe tips over, Jason takes her under. Cut the black roll credits.
Justin
00:36:57.847 - 00:37:18.145
Some kind of music. Like that perfect boom. And like. And like that sets you up nicely for sequels because you're like, yeah, so. Yeah.
But folks, there's no Jace Jason doesn't do in this movie. He tries to kill one person as apparently as like a. A. Okay, wait a minute. Why does he still look. I hadn't thought about this.
Isn't that the thing that comes out of the water? Still looks like a kid, right? Yeah.
Colin
00:37:18.185 - 00:37:22.245
Now he's huge in the next movie. We got to watch the next movie. I've never watched the second one or 40.
Justin
00:37:22.585 - 00:37:28.881
Like, somehow he's still a kid and then he maybe they rapidly like. I've watched that scene a couple times. It looks like a kid.
Colin
00:37:29.033 - 00:37:32.433
Yeah, I know it does. Oh, it's same. Definitely a small. A small body there for sure.
Justin
00:37:32.489 - 00:37:34.081
Which is also kind of gnarly.
Colin
00:37:34.193 - 00:37:35.769
Oh, yeah. No, it's definitely.
Justin
00:37:35.857 - 00:37:39.645
It's weirder that it's a young kid and not like a fully, you know, grown adult.
Colin
00:37:40.005 - 00:37:40.745
Right.
Justin
00:37:41.325 - 00:37:41.717
All right.
Colin
00:37:41.741 - 00:37:45.557
So what was the best use of outdoor gear and apparel for you in Friday the 13th?
Justin
00:37:45.661 - 00:38:06.285
I would say it's a. All the things that I find nostalgic. It's.
It's the combination of at one point somebody lights a Coleman lantern and it just makes me happy because they always do. And I appreciated the. I appreciated that when.
When Alice needed something to hit Pamela Voorhees, which you went ahead and grabbed the old cast iron pan, which is a great, great choice for a weapon.
Colin
00:38:06.405 - 00:38:06.845
100.
Justin
00:38:06.885 - 00:38:37.535
Very satisfying. Like, like clanging thunk. When she hit her in the head with it. Didn't. That didn't kill her somehow.
By the way, this woman who like at the breath of a. Of the slightest breeze falls through, you know, out a window, got clanged in the head with a. With a cast iron pan. That was fine. That was fine. Yeah.
I mean that, that, that, that. I guess, I mean it's. It's a nice to at least have a nod to the external frame pack just because it's nice to see him.
But yeah, I'd say that there's not a lot of. It's not like a gear centric outdoor movie because they're camping.
Colin
00:38:37.575 - 00:38:40.447
No, it's a camp. It's like a summer Camp, I mean, I like camping.
Justin
00:38:40.471 - 00:38:42.119
They're at a camp. The old school Jeep is great.
Colin
00:38:42.207 - 00:38:52.239
Yeah, I liked. I really and really probably it's Steve Christie. The camp owners fucking big yellow rain slicker. I love that thing.
I would buy one of those today if it was available. It was so cool looking so.
Justin
00:38:52.287 - 00:38:57.235
Well, it didn't keep, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't knife proof or machete proof.
Colin
00:38:58.015 - 00:39:02.793
Good work on that for the upgrade, I guess. Lastly, man, did this movie make you want to go outside?
Justin
00:39:02.889 - 00:39:26.073
So in my notes I wrote that I want to go to summer camp and just from watching this film, I want to go to that lake. I want to swim in that lake. I want to like watch fireflies. I want to eat, Jump off the dock. I want to jump off the dock.
I want to catch some like dumb like warm water fish in there. I want to eat some pancakes. I want to go around the fireplace, tell stories. I want to sneak off and make out with another camp counselor.
What are all the things you might want to do on a summer camp? I want to do all those.
Colin
00:39:26.129 - 00:39:27.461
All the tropes when I hit them all.
Justin
00:39:27.563 - 00:39:33.633
Which is weird cuz like while you're thinking this looks so much fun, like people are getting murdered grotesquely, but it.
Colin
00:39:33.649 - 00:39:35.025
Also seems like the easiest.
Justin
00:39:35.065 - 00:39:45.577
Like it feels like if you had any physical ability and or reaction, you could have easily avoided being murdered by this woman. Like you could have just been, oh, here comes that crit. Here comes that. She's gonna try to.
Colin
00:39:45.641 - 00:39:46.521
Oh, she's got an ass.
Justin
00:39:46.673 - 00:39:55.737
I'm just gonna walk to the other room because she moves the speed of a fucking tortoise. So like it feels like you could have had a nice summer camp while this woman was like killing some of the people around.
Colin
00:39:55.801 - 00:40:17.477
Right, right, right. Still open it up. Yeah, I'm with you. Same exact thing. Like, it's a.
We debated a lot about like what movie to do and I'm sure there are scarier ones that we'll do in the future. But like there was a. Yeah, there was something about this that just like it absolutely made me want to go. Same thing, go to camp.
Want to go to a lake house, a northeast lake house in the summertime and hang out on the lake and paddle a kayak and jump off the dock.
Justin
00:40:17.541 - 00:40:20.909
That's all I want to do. You can smell this movie, if that. Does that make sense?
Colin
00:40:20.997 - 00:40:21.957
Yeah. You can smell the foliage.
Justin
00:40:21.981 - 00:40:27.725
You can smell the pine needles, moistness and all that. You can smell it, which is. I mean, I want to eat blueberry.
Colin
00:40:27.765 - 00:40:30.453
Pancakes while looking at the water in the morning, drinking coffee.
Justin
00:40:30.509 - 00:40:33.013
Yeah. I want to sing beers at night, you know, like. Yeah.
Colin
00:40:33.069 - 00:40:38.305
Play my guitar a little bit. All that, so. All right, man. Friday the 13th. There you go.
Justin
00:40:38.885 - 00:40:40.385
Probably never watch it again.
Colin
00:40:40.885 - 00:40:42.149
I watched that N scene, though, on YouTube.
Justin
00:40:42.157 - 00:41:01.023
I watch that scene all the time. Yeah, I need to put that on loop and just put. And just. I don't know what I'm gonna do with it. Make memes. All right, man.
Colin
00:41:01.039 - 00:41:02.487
You ready to do your party shot?
Justin
00:41:02.671 - 00:41:05.755
I am ready for my parting shot.
Colin
00:41:16.755 - 00:41:17.835
First. You want me to go first?
Justin
00:41:17.915 - 00:41:19.295
Whose turn is it to go first?
Colin
00:41:19.715 - 00:41:21.155
I think it's your turn to go first.
Justin
00:41:21.275 - 00:41:21.571
Okay.
Colin
00:41:21.603 - 00:41:22.515
Did you go first?
Justin
00:41:22.675 - 00:41:30.115
I think you went first last time. All right, so it's election season, Colin, you know, I've heard. I don't know if you know that.
Colin
00:41:30.155 - 00:41:35.219
Yeah. Oh, wait, look at my phone. Oh, the 18,000 text messages I have on my phone are telling me that it's election season.
Justin
00:41:35.267 - 00:41:38.779
Hey, Colin, sounds like you and I have the. Have a similar party shot.
Colin
00:41:38.867 - 00:41:40.043
Your party shot.
Justin
00:41:40.219 - 00:41:51.727
I don't. I, at this point, would rather vote for, like, Attila the Hun than, like, if he just promises not to say me. Text messages. It is absolutely insane.
Colin
00:41:51.751 - 00:41:52.591
And emails.
Justin
00:41:52.783 - 00:42:56.995
Emails, fine, I can ignore them. You know how many times I'm, like, trying to take a nap because I'm a big napper. I get. I'm like, oh, Colin's texting me about something crucial.
We just got some more funding or something like that. And I look at it, and it's like, it's Kamala Harris. If you don't send me $3, your daughters are going to have to live at a prison camp.
It's just like. And you cannot hit. I spend more time texting stop to random political numbers than I do my own friends. It's insane. It doesn't work.
It's an intrusion on my privacy. You should be able to just write stop in some sort of general database and never get any of these. I don't know what to do anymore. It's awful.
And, like, if you're thinking. If you are running a campaign and you're thinking of texting me, just know I'm not going to.
I'm going to vote for the opposite of whatever you're sending me just. Just to spite you, even though you'll never know that that happened. And also, getting involved with the people doesn't work.
I've tried this because, like, there's some local ballot measures, and I'll be like, are you going to vote yes on blah, blah. I hope you are. I'll be like, actually, I'm not and here' why? And they'll just like fight with you about it. It's just like, what are we doing here?
This isn't, is this, do you think this is advancing your cause? No, just, just please stop.
Colin
00:42:57.775 - 00:43:00.035
So you're going to do the out. Does that mean you're voting for Trump?
Justin
00:43:02.095 - 00:43:02.835
Who?
Colin
00:43:03.175 - 00:43:17.015
Yeah, I'm right there with you. And then also because of like this election and I'm already stressed out about it because I go through all the emotions you just described.
But then I also feel guilty that I'm like, am I not giving enough? Is it going to be my fault? Like, you know, like, I kind of go through all that too.
Justin
00:43:17.095 - 00:43:19.749
Like, it's just, that's what they want, man. That's what they want want.
Colin
00:43:19.917 - 00:43:23.861
They do a good job at it. That was a good one, though. Excellent, excellent parting shot.
Justin
00:43:24.013 - 00:43:24.469
Thank you.
Colin
00:43:24.517 - 00:43:25.717
10 out of 10, no notes.
Justin
00:43:25.821 - 00:43:27.213
Perfect. All right.
Colin
00:43:27.229 - 00:45:06.685
My parting shot, my party shot, is that holiday decorations need an upgrade.
All right, so here in the US the decor for all the major holidays, I'm assuming it's this way in a lot of places are based on the weather, climate and flora and fauna of the Northeast. Meaning. So whatever your equivalent of our Northeast United States is, I'm sure it's the same where you are.
And that makes sense because for a long time that's where everyone lived in the U.S.
you know, and so while brightly colored fall leaves or spooky bear deciduous trees or snowman or holly boughs works for the northern part of our country, most of the Midwest, parts of the Southeast, there are a lot of areas where these things, they make no sense. Right? So if you're in Florida, Arizona, does a bundled up Santa Claus fit in? Nope.
If you live in Hawaii or Southern California, do you see dogwoods or maple trees everywhere? Nope. And my parting shot today is to demand regional and climate specific holiday decorations.
When Santa Claus shows up in Honolulu, you think he keeps his fur coat, his fur lined coat on? No. Throws that shit in the back of his sleigh and pops the collar of his floral shirt.
You know, our leaf littered and foggy streets is what is spooky in like West Texas. Fuck no. Give us a ghost town with motifs with like decaying desert animals.
I want to see cool decorations that reflect where I am and not force everything into that original whatever the original American decorators were making for their homes in Maine in 1789. And by the way, this is not a new idea.
In the 1974 holiday special, the Year Without a Santa Claus, which is, bar none, the single greatest holiday special of all time. Heat Miser knew about this problem when he asked, why can't Santa Claus wear a bathing suit and drive a sand buggy?
He was demanding holiday representation for climates that weren't the same as the northeast United States. And I'm here to do the same. Plus, think of all the money someone would make by normalizing Christmas palm trees. All right, let's go.
That's my parting shot. New regional, specific holiday decor.
Justin
00:45:06.805 - 00:45:08.477
I love it. That's. I love that.
Colin
00:45:08.501 - 00:45:08.733
Right?
Justin
00:45:08.789 - 00:45:19.357
Yeah. And you do see Santa in floral shirts in Hawaii, by the way. It would be pretty dope. Just lean into the, like, Southern.
Southern Californian kind of, like, slightly more arid sort of area that you are.
Colin
00:45:19.421 - 00:45:23.709
Right. And it would work for the whole, like, desert Southwest. You could do a whole Southeast thing.
Justin
00:45:23.797 - 00:45:25.181
He could wear sombrero.
Colin
00:45:25.373 - 00:45:28.005
Yeah, I'm into it.
Justin
00:45:28.085 - 00:45:33.045
His deer could be burrows. You can be using reindeer down there. This is a cat.
Colin
00:45:33.085 - 00:45:37.209
This is money just being made, cashing checks because, like, oh, yeah, I want to it. That's where I live.
Justin
00:45:37.257 - 00:45:42.705
Well, sounds like we need to get our series of regionally specific or regionally appropriate Santa Claus action figures.
Colin
00:45:42.825 - 00:45:53.089
So when the Rock Fight ends and you don't get any more episodes because Justin and I have gone deep into inflatable decorations for regions. All right, man. Anything else from you? You good?
Justin
00:45:53.177 - 00:46:06.345
I am good. And I'm going to be even better at a couple days when it's Halloween, easily my second favorite holiday of the year. So happy Halloween, everybody.
Hope you have a good, safe one out. Happy Halloween. Is that you, Jack Skellington?
Colin
00:46:06.765 - 00:46:25.645
Yep, that's my name. All right, well, thanks everybody, for listening and checking out the Rock Fight, which is a production of Rock Fight llc.
For my pal, Justin Houseman, I'm Colin True. Thanks for listening. And he's back again to take us out, even though he's in Australia. It's Chris Demakes. He's gonna sing the Rock Fight Fight song.
We'll see you next time, Rock Fighters.
Justin
00:46:25.725 - 00:46:33.195
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Colin
00:46:33.355 - 00:46:34.107
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00:46:34.211 - 00:47:21.625
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Colin
00:47:23.405 - 00:47:24.045
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