It's time to craft the perfect surf kit for just about everyone.
Today on Gear & Beer Colin and Justin start the show by talking about how surfboards have evolved to include the venerable foamie! Allowing for more fun and alternative surfing styles to enter the surf conversation. Then they turn their eye to their new favorite piece of gear: Passenger's Waves Recycled Sherpa Lined Changing Robe.
And look folks, Passenger just straight up gets it. Because not only did they send sweet changing robes to test out, they sent... THEIR OWN BEER!
That's right it's the first Gear & Beer where the pairing is from the same brand as today we crack open some Brewgooder/Passenger Made to Roam IPA. A beer so good, it had to be shipped to us illegally (we think) and Justin drank all of his before recording this episode!
Chapters:
03:34 - Foamy Surfboards Explained
09:00 - The Rise of Soft Top Surfboards
15:50 - Cracking Open A Brewgooder Made to Roam IPA (with a special appearance by a Patagonia NA)
22:00 - Passenger Waves Recycled Sherpa Lined Changing Robe Review
34:01 - Final Sips and Recommendations
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Episode Transcript
Colin True
00:00:01.960 - 00:00:14.598
Welcome to Gear and beer, the podcast for Gearheads, beer buffs and adventurers with discerning tastes, and the latest addition to the Rock Flight podcast network. I'm colin true, and I worked for brands and makers in the outdoor industry for over 20 years.
Justin Housman
00:00:14.694 - 00:00:18.050
Hi. Hi, everyone. Hi. How are you?
Colin True
00:00:19.550 - 00:00:20.598
Just not fair.
Justin Housman
00:00:20.734 - 00:00:29.692
How's everybody doing this afternoon? I'm calling. I'm not here getting any response from any. From our listeners. Isn't this.
Colin True
00:00:29.876 - 00:00:31.628
Well, this is a podcast, so this is not.
Justin Housman
00:00:31.764 - 00:00:33.040
I can't hear them live.
Colin True
00:00:34.020 - 00:00:36.084
It feels like a live experience for them, but it's.
Justin Housman
00:00:36.132 - 00:00:37.880
Where's all the laughter coming from then?
Colin True
00:00:38.220 - 00:00:39.360
That's just me.
Justin Housman
00:00:39.700 - 00:01:02.980
I'm Justin Houseman. I am the senior editor at Adventure Journal, a longtime professional gig reviewer.
Let's, you know, let's go ahead and throw a copywriter in there because that's. That's kind of my make these days. Certified Cicerone, which, as we all know by now, is a beer expert.
A beer expert, as someone probably says somewhere. I'm six foot two. Six foot two. About 170. About a buck, $70, 75, depending.
Colin True
00:01:03.640 - 00:01:04.992
Lean. Lean.
Justin Housman
00:01:05.136 - 00:01:37.114
I've been leaner, but yeah, I probably sit at about. I would say if I. If you gave me a solid week, I'm probably sitting at about 65 miles an hour. Miles an hour with a fastball. Decent breaking ball.
Pretty good change up. Pretty good change up. So I could be useful for the Dodgers is what I'm trying to say. If they need some help today, I can be in San Diego in like.
Well, not. The game will be already gone 8 hours. I could show up and, like, maybe help out. Fuck, it'll be over.
If it's extra innings, you need me, I could be there. I could be there.
Colin True
00:01:37.202 - 00:02:21.840
Well, everyone, it's October, which means we're entering prime surf season. So today on gear and beer, we're talking about a couple of different surf products.
Justin is going to tell you all you need to know about foamy, foamy surfboards. And then we're going to review probably the best changing robe you can buy.
And frankly, you should buy it, even if you don't really need a changing robe. Then that changing robe pairs perfectly, literally, with today's beer.
But before we get to that, and before we get into the water, a few items for our gear and beer listeners. And here's the deal, everyone, about gear and beer. Subscribing matters. Okay. Subscribing makes the shows you like more successful.
Subscribing is supporting. So support gear and beer by subscribing and you can do that by clicking follow on whatever app you are listening to us on right now.
And Justin, after they followed us and they want to reach out to us, what should they do?
Justin Housman
00:02:22.700 - 00:02:24.100
I don't know, Colin.
Colin True
00:02:24.180 - 00:02:25.596
Maybe they have some lunch first.
Justin Housman
00:02:25.788 - 00:02:58.816
Take a nap. If you're me, have a meal stretch. You can email us. You can send your emails to myrockfightmail.com. that's one thing you can do.
You can follow along on instagram where you can see Colin's fun little videos. I sometimes amend them to fight Co.
And then you should sign up for Rock Fight's newsletter by heading to Rockfight Co and clicking right there where it says, join the mailing list. We had a couple. Surprised, but yesterday, Dodgers legends Mookie best and Freddie Freeman signed up for the Rock fight newsletter. Isn't that amazing?
Colin True
00:02:58.888 - 00:03:00.592
It's true. They heard you were there. You were a fan.
Justin Housman
00:03:00.656 - 00:03:05.176
They wanted some, and they wanted to support some tips. They wanted a little help. And how great is that?
Colin True
00:03:05.248 - 00:03:07.380
They heard that guy. That guy can throw 65.
Justin Housman
00:03:08.280 - 00:03:10.440
Maybe we could hit that. Assholes.
Colin True
00:03:10.560 - 00:03:13.064
Anyway, do you think they also clicked follow?
Justin Housman
00:03:13.152 - 00:03:23.210
Yes, they sure did. Yeah. And they gave us a five star ratings. If you go look at the last couple, the last couple anonymous ratings on Apple.
That's actually, that's actually Freddie Freeman. Mookie bets.
Colin True
00:03:23.250 - 00:03:26.114
That's them. That's them. Because Justin's a big dodger.
Justin Housman
00:03:26.162 - 00:03:27.666
Sure is. He sure is. The bay.
Colin True
00:03:27.698 - 00:03:28.698
But he likes LA.
Justin Housman
00:03:28.834 - 00:03:29.910
That sounds good.
Colin True
00:03:30.410 - 00:03:56.772
It does, right? Should make a t shirt. Yeah. All right, man. Let's get into it. So foamy surfboards have exploded in recent years.
I think brands like catch surf sort of leading the charge to show you can have fun and authentic. Authentic, authentic time surfing. A foam board. And of course, the Costco wavestorm, becoming sort of the poster child for the beginner surfer.
So Justin is the rock flight podcast network's only pro surfer because that's how I view you. Talk us through foam.
Justin Housman
00:03:56.836 - 00:04:10.980
That's the, that's the era I've cultivated. First of all, congrats on knowing the term foamy. I don't. I'm not being a dick, but, like, where is that?
Like, that feels like that's something you have to kind of surf to know. Where did you hear that? Is that what. Yeah, no, yeah, maybe.
Colin True
00:04:11.020 - 00:04:12.532
I don't know. Maybe watch enough Ben gravy videos.
Justin Housman
00:04:12.556 - 00:04:41.840
Oh, maybe. He probably says, what's interesting is the software, the soft surfboard has had, like, a million different names. Like, foamy is one.
People used to call all of them Doyles, because, like, one of the first brands was Doyle surfboards down in, I don't know, somewhere in southern California. So a lot of people will still call them Doyles. Soft tops. Softboards. Yeah, foamies is great. I usually say soft tops, but foamies is great.
Okay, so, yeah. What'd you ask me? You want me to talk to you, tell you what's going on with these.
Colin True
00:04:41.920 - 00:04:44.848
Walk us through foamies, or soft, as it were.
Justin Housman
00:04:44.984 - 00:08:58.390
So these things did not exist, and I was learning how to surf, and I wish that they had, although also, I'm kind of glad they didn't. And we'll talk about that in a minute.
But, um, so if you, I mean, I'm assuming you know what this is, but if you don't, it's basically a surfboard that's made out of the same soft foam as a, as a, as a body board is. Now, obviously, foamy is a bit of a misnomer because hard surfboards are also made from foam, but not soft foam. So this is the soft squishy foam.
It's, it's, it's ostensibly, um, you know, safer. Right.
Like, if it, if, if, and when you fall, as you're learning, and the board is like, you know, you're, you're, you're like cattle, you know, catapulting, cartwheeling is what I meant to say. Catapulted, cartwheeling around under the water.
And, like, your board is just like, you know, tombstoning and, like, pops up and hits you in the face, which hopefully will happen because you, you have to earn your stripes. You know, it's a lot better for that to be a nice, soft foam. It's also just easier on your body to lay on it and stuff like that.
They're also, and this is the reason that a lot of surfers like me, who have surfed for decades, like them, they're really buoyant, which adds a completely different, like, experience to the, to the surfing. Um, but they, I would say, let's see, I, wave storms have probably been around for, I would say, at least 15 years at this point.
And I don't know what they cost now, but they were legendary at first for being $99, and you could bring them back to Costco, broken in half, and they take them back. I will say that of all the, like, soft ops you can buy, they surf by far the worst.
Like, I mean, really good surfers can, like, kind of do stuff on them, but wavestorms are funky. Like, I hate them. Uh, just something they're cheap. There's something about the stuff that they're made of. They don't really do.
They're just hard to surf. But there's a bunch of really good brands out there. Catch surf is my favorite.
Um, I have two catch surfboards, um, like an eight foot log, and then, like, a little, a little board I use kind of as a knee board, um, that are super duper fun, but, like, they've just, there's like a, there's been kind of a revolution in surfing in the last, I would say, ten to 15 years where we've left the place of, you have to be like a grunting, surly, angry, traditional high performance, short board surfer, and you can kind of ride whatever you want, and no one's really going to bat an eye anymore. I mean, it used to be if you walked on the beach with a board that didn't have a pointy nose, people would, like, probably make fun of you.
Like, I'm not kidding. Like, it was, it literally was like, or, like, you'd paddle out, people would just like, snake you. Cause you're like, this guy's not serious.
That started to change when what's called alternative boards popped onto the scene. Now these boards have been around forever.
It just, like, it just took, like, cool surfers and people getting bored of, um, and, like, surfers who rip super hard, like, appearing on, like, on different, on alternative craft. All of a sudden, people are like, okay, I guess I can do that too. And it's really just, like, completely changed the complexion of surfing.
It's also made it way more crowded. I mean, like, like, soft ops are cheap. Like a couple hundred bucks. You know, you can get them used for 40, $50 on Craigslist.
And, like, one of the barriers to entry to surfing used to be. Boards are expensive and they're really hard, you know?
So, like, it's not, it's a little bit more intimidating to grab an actual surfboard with, like, real sharpen pointy fins and hard rails and, like, go try and learn on it. Um, it's not as easy, it's not nearly as forgiving. And so there's definitely, it's definitely increased crowding.
I mean, there's no question about it, but they're just so fucking fun.
And, like, one of the things that I've really learned to do and appreciate in the last, like, ten years is just like, I just don't give a shit anymore. Part of that's aging, but also part of it's like, what? You know, like, it's just so much more fun.
Um, so I surface off top probably half the time I surface. Um, they're great choices.
If you're a good surfer and you're surfing like hollow closeouts, though, you're trying to get pull into tubes and you don't want to worry about your board hitting you and you're probably not going to make them. So you don't, you're not worried about a board that can like, maneuver?
Um, yeah, if you just don't feel like trying, you know, like they're just an absolute blast. You can pull the fins out of them and like ride them as finless and just spin around and do weird stuff.
There's all kinds of videos of people doing really amazing high performance stuff on these softwares with no fins. It's just, it's just a great way to connect to, um, like an unserious, in a good way, um, purely fun kind of surfing.
And I'm so stoked that they're popular.
Uh, you know, there's probably like arguments against them in terms of, like, they definitely kind of, there's a ceiling pretty quick on what you can do. So, you know, if you only ride soft ops, your abilities on everything else will degrade, as I can definitely tell you.
Um, but I don't know that that matters. You know, it just at a certain point, you just want to have fun and they, they make it way more fun for more surfers to surf on them.
And I couldn't be more happy with, with the rise in their popularity.
Colin True
00:08:59.320 - 00:09:57.964
It's a little like the opposite.
When we talked about feral wetsuits a few months ago, we were talking about, hey, actually, it's kind of worth spending the extra money to get this kind of wetsuit because it's that good and it'll last you forever. If you're only going to own one board, I'd say just go get a soft top. If you're a beginner, yeah, for sure, yes.
I mean, obviously, if you're a surfer of your caliber, you're obviously going to have multiple boards and want to surf different things. But if you're sort of like, look, I just kind of, I get to the beach once a year, twice a year. I just want to have a kit.
I want to have a good wetsuit and something to run. It's like, well, listen, if you can't get to the waves regularly, you're gonna be really limited in what's out there.
But if you have a soft top, you can actually surf on it. Like you said, you can also, if it's a really small day, well, you can catch more because it's so buoyant and it's easy.
And then if you're just playing in the whitewash, well, that's fun, too.
I mean, it's kind of the rare case of a entry level piece of outdoor equipment that really pays off over time and you want to keep using, even if you be advanced beyond.
Justin Housman
00:09:58.012 - 00:10:15.824
I've never gotten rid of a soft top. Like, I've sold lots of regular surfboards. I have the same. I have a lot of soft tops. Cause I did.
I used to review surfboards, and so I have quite a few. Oh, that's not true. I have gotten rid of some. I got a big bulk shipment once from a company that I really liked.
They sent me, like, one of everything they make. And they're called south.
Colin True
00:10:15.912 - 00:10:17.248
Yeah, but that's South Bear board company.
Justin Housman
00:10:17.304 - 00:10:24.620
And their boards are really good. They're also. There's levels of soft top. There's, like, the super squishy catch surf ones that are very much, like, obviously, like, toys.
Colin True
00:10:25.230 - 00:10:26.862
Those are foamies, right? That's, like, a foamy.
Justin Housman
00:10:26.886 - 00:11:49.944
But they also make some that have. That are. That are way stiffer, that are. They're still softer than a regular board, but they're. They're much firmer. They still don't surf the same.
I mean, they're. The thing with soft tops is they're extremely flexible, and if you get, like, super into it, you can actually use that to your advantage. If.
If you ride them all the time and you ride really, like, old, crappy ones that have a lot of flex. Like, you can kind of flex it to fit the face of the wave. Like, the curve of the wave.
You'll see, like, really good surfers doing really neat stuff, like. Like, slipping sideways right in the pocket.
And the board is, like, banana shaped, just, like, mirroring the surface of the wave, which is pretty rad and really hard to do. The other thing that's awesome is you don't just, like, you just fucking leave them outside. Like, I don't care what happens to them. Like, I don't.
If someone steals it out of the back of my truck, I don't care. You know, I mean, I would be a little bummed, but it's not like, a board that was $1,200 that I have to, like, you can't breathe on it wrong.
You know what I mean? Surfboards are fragile as hell, but, like, soft tops. I have a bunch in this in my side yard with, like, a tarp over them sometimes.
Sometimes it's not. I don't really care. They get bleached by the sun. Like, they start to peel. It doesn't affect them, really at all, which is amazing.
And you can, like, take them to the river and just, like, dick around, like, if you want to go to the lake and just paddle. Like, I do that sometimes. I wouldn't do that with a regular board. Yeah, there's just. It's awesome. There should be. I don't know. I can't.
I actually was thinking about this before the show. I don't know what equivalent would be, like in.
In the outdoor world for something else other than maybe, like, there's not other than maybe, like, a kind of a cheap, rigid, but decently made bike where you can just kind of do whatever you want on it, like, it's around town.
Colin True
00:11:49.992 - 00:12:28.750
Yeah, maybe. But even then, there's a. There's a particular use case for those. You're not gonna, you know, take your.
Your rigid steel bike, you know, on a trail that is, like, you know, with a lot of, like, drop drops and stuff like that, you know? Right. This is the. This is the rare case. I mean, everything else you're gonna advance out of. I mean, if you can afford to, right? If you.
If you're a skier, you're gonna go get used skis and boots and whatever. Then you're like, oh, I know what to do now. Okay, I want better stuff. Your bike. Example.
The first time or the first time you got on a really good, high performance, like, full suspension mountain bike, you're like, holy shit. I get it now. A softy. A soft top is like, that's cool, man.
I can surf this whatever I want, have a good time doing it, and if that's all I have, it's okay. It's really the good surfer.
Justin Housman
00:12:28.790 - 00:12:33.462
You can still kind of. Kind of rip on them. Like, you can do turns. You can get barrels. I mean, watch Jamie O'Brien's feed, dude.
Colin True
00:12:33.486 - 00:12:35.366
Jamie O'Brien takes those things in the pipe, man.
Justin Housman
00:12:35.398 - 00:12:45.182
I honestly feel like he would probably do better. He doesn't really compete that often anymore, but he would probably do better on a board like that than he would a.
Like, a standard high performance, like, pipe gun, I would think.
Colin True
00:12:45.286 - 00:12:45.930
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:12:46.390 - 00:12:46.726
Yeah.
Colin True
00:12:46.758 - 00:12:52.130
I mean, it's the rare case if I shouldn't be invoking Jamie O'Brien for this conversation, but it's the funny thing to see him out there.
Justin Housman
00:12:52.870 - 00:13:44.690
It's less weird now to see guys on. On really good waves of soft tops. Like, it happens and, like, there's, you know, I live 45 minutes from the beach, and so often I'll be like.
I look at the cams, I'm like, okay, looks like there's some barrels, but I don't really know what to expect. But fuck it, I'll bring this off top and I'll be fine. Even if it's like, if it's like, whoa, it's kind of gnarly.
Then again, it's different because it's nothing. It's not gonna hurt you. It just means that, like, you might not make as many waves, but you can still.
You know, you could have a pretty thrilling session on a soft op if you want. Yeah. Again, wish there was a, like, a. Like, a good comparison for people that don't surf. But I can't really think of any but that, like, the.
I don't think the cool takeaway is just that, like, it's just been neat to see this impact, like. Like, move throughout all of surfing. And it's not weird now to, like, for a pro to cut a video and just them on a soft top. Like, that's totally fine.
Or people like Ben gravy, who've made a career out of writing soft ops in weird waves.
Colin True
00:13:44.810 - 00:13:52.170
So what's the. If you're just gonna tell if someone's like, all right, I just want to complete my kit.
I live in the mountains, but I just want to have a surfboard for them when I. When I go to the beach. Is it again?
Justin Housman
00:13:52.250 - 00:14:26.830
I would get the. I would get the eight. Oh, I would get the eight o. Catch surf log. Mine is the Odyssey log. I don't know if Odyssey is still a thing with catch surf.
It was like a different brand they were trying to do for a little bit, but, like, I just. I would get an eight foot one. A nine foot board is really, really big. You don't need a nine foot board at all if you're riding a soft top.
The whole point of having a nine foot regular board is, like, there's a certain, like, volume and buoyancy you need from a board that long, but you don't need that with a soft top because they're so buoyant by themselves. So, like, I would just get, like, an eight foot soft top and you'd be. That's it. Like, you could learn on one. Like, your kids can learn on one.
Colin True
00:14:27.170 - 00:14:32.738
Like, most of the beaches down where I live, where there's a lot of, like, beginner surf lessons going on. They're all on 8ft.
Justin Housman
00:14:32.754 - 00:14:55.516
Yeah, I mean, I think catch everything. I think catch surf or I'm sorry, wavestorms I'm pretty sure are 8ft.
A lot of the like beginner surf schools, you know, you'll 910 foot soft tops which is fine, but like you can't do much there besides go straight. But the eight foot ones like, like Jamie O'Brien will usually use. I think he uses 90 s and 80 s at pipe. You want the paddling ability of a 90 pipe.
But I can't even fathom like dealing with that much board and that much.
Colin True
00:14:55.548 - 00:15:00.040
Like when he's just like gripping the rail and pulling it turn into the wave.
Justin Housman
00:15:00.660 - 00:15:46.816
I'm sure he has the same experience I do, obviously though on a far different like canvas. Well, we're not. You can like do really cool shit with these, right?
Like that's the thing that I really enjoyed about them and like, I don't know, I'm probably, probably.
I'm a generation ahead of all the young guys now where I surf and they don't know who I am and they probably think I'm the weird guy that always rides a soft top. But it's like I can ride them on my knees, I can ride them laying down. Like you can do such rad stuff. We should post a video.
There's a couple really cool videos out there of guys just having a blast. Like literally like laying on their destroyer, laying on their side with their like head on their elbow. Just like on a perfect wave on a side.
Like, it's just amazing. And like, I don't know what.
I don't know how you could watch that and then watch like a modern high performance thing where someone's doing shit you can't possibly do and think, I want to do that. Like, no, you want to go on the. You want to have fun and you can.
Colin True
00:15:46.928 - 00:15:50.880
All right, man. Well, I think before we go any further, we probably should open up a beer.
Justin Housman
00:15:50.920 - 00:15:54.864
Oh, yeah. Okay, so what do you got? What do you got?
Colin True
00:15:54.912 - 00:16:04.998
So. Well, I got. I got the beer that was sent to us by our friends and passenger, I got the brew gooder passenger IPA. Yeah, this is a very special.
That may have been.
Justin Housman
00:16:05.134 - 00:16:06.970
Well, we haven't mentioned passenger yet.
Colin True
00:16:07.670 - 00:16:18.734
We haven't. That's a good point. Shoot, that's first.
Okay, so passenger we're going to be talking about in a minute, but this may have been illegally shipped to us from the UK. They were a little hesitant if they could get it to us, so we're actually. Well, I. You already drank all of that.
Justin Housman
00:16:18.742 - 00:16:19.110
You were good.
Colin True
00:16:19.150 - 00:16:30.404
But the. So. But we're going to get into some passenger gear in a minute. But this is a brand, guys, that gets it. They get us.
Our show is all about pairing gear and beer. I and passenger is just doing that.
Justin Housman
00:16:30.452 - 00:16:46.660
And we didn't ask for this. Like, we, like, they. They reached out to us, by the way.
Um, and they wanted us to share some of their changing robes, um, for, like, surfing, although you could. You don't have to surf, but, like, a changing robe. But they sent us.
We didn't know the beer was coming, and they sent the beer, too, which is awesome. That means they listen to the show and they appreciate what we're doing, which makes them my new favorite brand.
Colin True
00:16:46.780 - 00:16:47.612
They're definitely my new favorite.
Justin Housman
00:16:47.636 - 00:17:00.100
Now, I'm not drinking one because I already had all four of mine. Um, but I am. I am proud to debut something I have a little bit to do with, which is, uh, patio guinea provisions, new non alcoholic kerns of beer.
Colin True
00:17:00.800 - 00:17:02.512
Is that. Is that wildly drinkable?
Justin Housman
00:17:02.576 - 00:17:04.616
Wildly drinkable. Do you have. Do you have some of these?
Colin True
00:17:04.648 - 00:17:05.448
No way.
Justin Housman
00:17:05.624 - 00:17:07.168
No, I've not had it yet.
Colin True
00:17:07.304 - 00:17:09.960
I just saw in the can. I think you told me about it at one point.
Justin Housman
00:17:10.120 - 00:17:22.236
But I work for patio provisions on contract basis, so I do some of the copy. But that doesn't mean I am biased in any way. This is probably the best nolagolic beer I've had. They didn't they?
Colin True
00:17:22.348 - 00:17:25.796
I've heard. I've heard you say that before. And some other non venues. This is really the one.
Justin Housman
00:17:25.828 - 00:17:43.596
Well, the reason why is, one, I'm hyperbolic. Two, they. I mean, we're. It's like a. It's a non alcoholic beer revolution right now. So, like, there's going to be like, it's not unusual for you.
Like, oh, that, like, like, athletic. One of those athletics was the best one I'd ever had. And then we tried the rationale. I'm like, okay, this is the best I've ever had. That was really.
Colin True
00:17:43.628 - 00:17:44.836
That mexican lager was super good.
Justin Housman
00:17:44.908 - 00:17:54.382
Then. Then I bought one of these at my local natural food store the other day, and I was just like, holy smokes. Like, this is really good.
Now, patagonia doesn't make it, you know, so, like, it's made.
Colin True
00:17:54.446 - 00:17:57.406
And same with the passenger, I think. They do not brew it themselves.
Justin Housman
00:17:57.438 - 00:18:00.654
This is made by Deschutes Brewery. We've done Deschutes on the podcast before.
Colin True
00:18:00.782 - 00:18:02.038
Yay. All right, Deschutes.
Justin Housman
00:18:02.094 - 00:18:31.262
But provisions is doing a thing where they're brewing with I don't know how many. I think it's like 20 something now, where basically they go, look, you gotta use all organic ingredients.
You gotta use kernsa, which is like a perennial grain that's way better for topsoil and all sorts of stuff than the traditional wheat is, which is where you get barley. And so they basically said, look, you have to use these parameters, but do whatever you want with it. And so this is what. And this is kind of.
Deschutes is making their lager. And there's also this golden brew, which. Cause it can't say beer anyway. That's what I'm drinking.
Colin True
00:18:31.326 - 00:18:37.310
And it also has to be wildly, wildly drinkable. All right, let's open these up. Cause I wanna hear you tell us a little bit about what's in this. The passenger IPA, too.
Justin Housman
00:18:37.350 - 00:18:37.926
Okay, ready?
Colin True
00:18:37.998 - 00:18:41.006
All right, ready? Three, two, one.
Justin Housman
00:18:41.198 - 00:18:44.966
You know, it's great, too, as I'm doing this, I can smell bacon in the other room. My wife's doing something with bacon.
Colin True
00:18:44.998 - 00:18:48.566
Oh, my God, they got beer and bacon. Should we do a podcast called Bacon and Beer?
Justin Housman
00:18:48.598 - 00:18:52.250
It would be the most popular podcast in the world. So this is your first sip of that.
Colin True
00:18:53.350 - 00:18:54.886
First one. Oh, I like that.
Justin Housman
00:18:54.958 - 00:19:02.038
So this is a four eight ipa, as we know. I love the low alcohol. It's not an IPA, it's a Paul, or they call it ipa.
Colin True
00:19:02.214 - 00:19:14.750
It says IPa on the can. Made to roam ipa. You know, here's the thing, though. Sometimes you get those ipas and the bitterness lasts almost too long.
I get, as a real quick hit, bitter aftertaste, but immediately fades away.
Justin Housman
00:19:14.870 - 00:19:17.330
That's really dry. That beer is super dry.
Colin True
00:19:17.800 - 00:19:18.664
Mmm.
Justin Housman
00:19:18.832 - 00:19:30.472
It's so funny. The can looks. When I got the can, I was like, okay, Andre the giant. So they're 330 mil, which is. Cause they're from England.
And so that's the classic european size, which is eleven british duo. Exactly. I think it's 11.15oz.
Colin True
00:19:30.536 - 00:19:32.408
This is kind of the perfect serving.
Justin Housman
00:19:32.544 - 00:19:40.744
No way. I'm a. I don't. I hate 12oz. I want 16oz every single time. If I'm gonna have a cause, then I don't have to have 212 ounces is not enough.
Colin True
00:19:40.872 - 00:19:42.488
Yeah, this is why you don't have yours.
Justin Housman
00:19:42.584 - 00:19:48.118
Yeah. 12oz is not enough, and 32oz is too much. So, like, I love a six. I love a pint. Pint is a perfect.
Colin True
00:19:48.174 - 00:19:53.654
Well, as the most mature one on this podcast, I think really is.
Justin Housman
00:19:53.742 - 00:20:01.450
It is awesome. I mean, I do like it. You can have, you know, it's cool. It fits in your hand. Nice. It's just the only reason that you think it's cool is.
Cause it's different.
Colin True
00:20:02.390 - 00:20:04.350
That is one. It's like. It's like a little bottle of ketchup.
Justin Housman
00:20:04.390 - 00:20:08.170
Like, oh, look at that. It's diminutive and it's different. So you think it's great.
Colin True
00:20:08.510 - 00:20:14.494
So this is brewed in a classic North Pacific Northwest style, a fresh and piney IPA with sweet honeydew.
Justin Housman
00:20:14.582 - 00:20:15.376
Yeah, I see that.
Colin True
00:20:15.438 - 00:20:20.556
And refresh and refreshing blend of fruit and a bitter grapefruit. Yeah, it's living up to that.
Justin Housman
00:20:20.588 - 00:20:42.542
So we got cascade hops, which is very classic Pacific Northwest. We've talked about that on the podcast before. Citra Magnum. Those are like the three golden, golden children of, like, your classic PNW IPA.
What's so interesting about this brand, generally speaking? Like, if you look. If you just go to passengers website, you assume they're in BC or Washington. Like, you just.
Colin True
00:20:42.646 - 00:20:43.502
It feels very.
Justin Housman
00:20:43.566 - 00:20:55.750
Every single thing they're doing is that way. And so this. This beer is absolutely part of that. I love. I love the idea of brew Gooder, which clearly makes beer that you can, like, brand yourself.
Brew Gooder is a cool name.
Colin True
00:20:55.830 - 00:20:58.102
We should get a gear and beer. Beer made.
Justin Housman
00:20:58.286 - 00:21:27.544
Honestly, it would probably be really expensive, but it would be pretty fun. I mean, I could also just make the beer for us. I just couldn't get it. That's true. But.
Yeah, I'm assuming that they sell their own, too, but it's really cool. Or maybe. Maybe they just. Maybe this is just a collab. It could just be a collab. They probably just really good at doing collabs. But anyway.
Yeah, brew gooder is awesome. I've never heard of them, but they're great. This is. It's a really high quality beer. Four and a half percent is what I see. You said 4.8.
Colin True
00:21:27.712 - 00:21:29.168
I thought it said 4.8 on the can.
Justin Housman
00:21:29.224 - 00:21:31.816
It's on their website. It says four and a half, but maybe they've changed.
Colin True
00:21:31.848 - 00:21:32.904
Yeah, it says four point.
Justin Housman
00:21:32.952 - 00:21:33.620
Okay.
Colin True
00:21:34.040 - 00:21:36.624
It also says that it's suitable for vegans. So.
Justin Housman
00:21:36.712 - 00:22:03.532
Well, that. I mean, so there's a reason for that. And that, like, there's certain kinds of things called, like, findings that, like, you.
You can put in a beer to do certain things. And sometimes. Sometimes it can be like gelatin, sometimes it can be like.
Like, there are things that people will add, like oyster shells in certain kinds of beers to, like, do certain things to the, like the fermentation process, basically.
And so I'm not surprised to hear them say that also could mean that they filter out all the bugs, I don't know, there's a lot of bugs and wheat, you know, they run it through a debugger.
Colin True
00:22:03.676 - 00:22:04.960
Let's talk about passenger.
Justin Housman
00:22:05.350 - 00:22:08.610
Well, yeah, let's talk about it. You got the, you got the helm, bud.
Colin True
00:22:08.950 - 00:22:24.370
Yeah. So passengers, really interesting brand. They're out of the UK. I'm not sure when they were founded off top of my head.
Oh, twelve years ago I read about it. Twelve years? Yeah, twelve years. I got a chance to meet the founder of this guy named Rich at the event in Reno this past summer.
Justin Housman
00:22:24.830 - 00:22:26.290
That's how they heard about us.
Colin True
00:22:26.910 - 00:23:33.890
Yeah.
And actually they're North America sales guy or North America GM, actually guy named Matt Little, who's a former guest of the rock fight, the other podcast you and I host. And so they're fans of our work, which is great. Thank you guys for listening to our shows.
But the one thing I really like about passengers, how they describe themselves, which is what they are not, they are not reaching for the summit, they are not present in the rarefied air at the peak. We do active and technical products, but we combine this with lifestyle designs to embrace a variety of uses.
And that's a really interesting point of view for a quote unquote outdoor industry brand because where I think a lot of new brands stumble is not having a really clear point of view on who they are and not to just shit on them. Sorry. I'm going to use it as an example, code epoxy, but code epoxy is a good example.
It's very much a vibes brand because they sort of toeing both sides of the line of like, hey, we're gear for good and we make really cool, funky looking things, but we're also super technical and we have kind of a lot of the same things that you see other outdoor brands have versus I like passenger just sort of putting a stake in the sand and being like, eh, no, man, that's not where we're going. We're just making well made stuff.
Justin Housman
00:23:34.370 - 00:23:36.390
You a little bit of polar?
Colin True
00:23:37.570 - 00:23:39.162
Yeah, a little bit. I think they're more legit.
Justin Housman
00:23:39.186 - 00:24:05.854
I was just going to say like, like, I hate. Sorry. If you're listening to this and you're like, we're associated with polar, like their stuff wasn't the best quality.
Yeah, this, I have one thing and I guess the beer and the quality feels great. So I'm assuming that the quality for all their stuff is pretty good and the design is really good. It definitely, it's definitely speaking to us.
Right. People that just want to be outdoorsy people that, like, if they want to, like, rip off some kind of crazy feat, they can.
But, like, that's not like they're what they're all about and they're not.
Colin True
00:24:05.942 - 00:25:16.764
And you're right, we are definitely their audience too, because definitely has more of a natural fibers look to it. A little bit more everyday look. It doesn't look like super technical stuff. So we asked them, what do they want to feature on the show?
And they sent us the waves recycled, sherpa lined changing robe, which is a bit of a mouthful, but I think they know that they've listened to the show. They know that you're a surfer. They know that I surf. And they're like, oh, yeah, we'll send you our changing robe.
We're like, all right, let's try a changing robe. They didn't really know how this was going to work out. I have never swung around so hard on a product number. 01:00 a.m. i. Excited for a changing robe.
And then also saw that it's $140. Changing robe.
As soon as I took this thing out of the box, I'm like, this might be one of my most favorite things that I now own because I'm usually wearing as a changing robe, going to the beach, like, just a kind of a beat the shit kind of like Terry cloth poncho, right? Just throw it on this thing. I can't even describe it. It's sort of like the. The comfort of a puffy jacket with the.
The comfort of a sleeping bag with the functionality of changing sleeping bag. Yeah. My wife just put it on while she was working because it was kind of cool in the house this morning, and she didn't want to take it off.
Justin Housman
00:25:16.812 - 00:25:45.440
So changing robes have been around for a while. I have one by a very small mama pop in southern California called surface fur.
Like surf and then fur their logos, like a little otter, which is made with otter pelts. That's not really. And it's great. It works well. Changing robes. I'm too old for changing robes. And by that, I mean they were the height of uncoolness.
Colin True
00:25:45.480 - 00:25:46.480
Going naked on the beach.
Justin Housman
00:25:46.520 - 00:25:58.010
Well, yeah, sometimes they were the height of uncoolness when they came out. Like, it was just very much like, if you're, like, a hard. Again, same thing with, like, soft tops.
Like, so much of surfing, like, core identities wrapped up in, like, shit you scoff at, and it's really lame, but that's just how it is.
Colin True
00:25:58.050 - 00:25:58.490
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:25:58.610 - 00:26:19.626
And so when, like, changing robes first came out, like, everyone's just like, come on. You know, like, it was mostly a beginner thing because it's, I guess it's intimidating to do a towel change. I don't know.
Like, we kind of take pride in it. You know, that you can just like, throw a towel around yourself. It doesn't fall off. You can change like something kind of cool.
There's one of the best scenes in point break, partially because she's cute, but is when Laurie cheese. Like, it's not her, but like changing in the, out of the.
Colin True
00:26:19.658 - 00:26:22.338
It's, it is her. No, when she's changing her face, but.
Justin Housman
00:26:22.354 - 00:26:27.478
I don't think that's her doing it. Cause she had a stunt double for the surfs. For the surf part. I think it's, I think that's a.
Colin True
00:26:27.494 - 00:26:29.814
Pretty close up shot either way.
Justin Housman
00:26:29.942 - 00:26:37.166
There's like, that, like, it just looks cool. There's something about changing out of a towel in the back of your car for some reason is just a cool aspect of surfing. I can't explain it.
Colin True
00:26:37.198 - 00:26:37.558
Right.
Justin Housman
00:26:37.654 - 00:27:21.794
And so, like, the changing robe just felt like, like if you just weren't comfortable with a towel, it just felt kind of sad.
Having said that, you know, like, if you live where I do, I'm sure even down there, Colin, you probably feel like it gets cold sometimes, even though you're completely wrong. Um, like, you know, it's, it's nice to have something like a jacket when you're changing.
And so, like, in the, in the, you know, freezing cold winter, I'll have a parka on, on top and then a towel below me. So changing grub solves that problem by being one giant thing altogether.
So you just throw it on, you take your suit off, put it back, you know, or put your suit on, whatever, and you're nice and toasty and warm and, um, so that's, that's case we weren't sure. That's the, that's the changing rope. Most of the surf brands probably make them now, but they're all going to be pretty shitty.
Um, yeah, it's like cheap fabric.
Colin True
00:27:21.842 - 00:27:22.962
It's cheap fleece. It's.
Justin Housman
00:27:22.986 - 00:27:41.794
Yeah, any, any major surf brand makes like, the crappiest clothes and stuff. That's just how it is. And so, like, those, those, you know, they're, they're whatever they don't do, they don't do much.
You only use them when you're changing. It's not like you're wearing them around so you can have them forever. A cheap one will last a long time, but this one just feels unreal.
It feels like. It looks kind of like what? Like, swimmers wear, like, those big, long, full length jackets.
Colin True
00:27:41.842 - 00:27:42.098
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:27:42.154 - 00:27:56.240
Like a swim meet or something like that, but so thick in line with the Sherpa stuff. I will absolutely wear this.
I guarantee I'll wear this at some point this winter, just walking around town, because it's just like, I don't care that it goes down to my shins. Like, it's badass. It's super warm. Why not? It has pockets.
Colin True
00:27:57.100 - 00:28:33.256
No, and it's a good point on the temperatures. My buddy Darren, who owns first seed zone, and he lives in New England, and so he's a New England surfer, right?
And so that means that there's a lot of days it's like, well, if you want to surf in New England, guess what. It's January, and it's about eight degrees outside. And, you know, he's like. It's. It's just the struggle of getting.
How do you get in and out of your, you know, five mil plus suit, right? Like, which is not easy to get in and out of anyway. And not get, you know, frostbite or get your.
Or touch the ground with your bare feet, all that stuff. This is the perfect kind of thing for that environment.
But then, to your point, too, like, yeah, it's cold enough here that I will absolutely throw this on. Why wouldn't.
Justin Housman
00:28:33.288 - 00:28:33.752
No, it's like.
Colin True
00:28:33.776 - 00:28:37.192
It's like, it's 50 degrees outside. Like, yeah, of course. That sounds great. This thing's awesome also.
Justin Housman
00:28:37.216 - 00:28:59.382
Just easier.
The other thing that's nice about them is if you are like me and you live in a place where there's, like, maddeningly fickle sandbars, sometimes you'll look at the waves, put your suit on, and then get back to the. Go back to the.
Where you're about to paddle out, you realize, like, crap, it's already changed, and you don't want to surf there anymore, and if your suit's a little bit wet, that kind of sucks. But if you just put this thing back on, you can sit on it in your car. Good to go.
Colin True
00:28:59.446 - 00:29:09.318
Yep. It's sort of like the.
That's a good point of, like, if you want to just, like, throw it on with your wetsuit still on, it's kind of like what Uggs probably were when they first came out. Right? They were surf shooting. Dude.
Justin Housman
00:29:09.374 - 00:29:30.740
Dude, great. I didn't think about that. This is. These are Uggs for your whole body. Like, there you go. Uggs are Uggs, though, for whatever reason, were cool.
Probably because like, you'd see shots of, like, Tom Carroll.
These, like, badass Australians in, like, the late eighties, early nineties when Uggs first kind of hit the US, the ads for them, like, changing, and you're like, oh, that's cool as hell.
Colin True
00:29:31.120 - 00:29:33.904
Yeah, Uggs are, because they were australian. Australia is cool.
Justin Housman
00:29:33.992 - 00:30:19.882
Uggs are amazing. And so after a surf. And so this is, yeah, this is Uggs for your upper body. That's, that's, that's should be their tagline.
I mean, the thing that's unique, as far as I know about, about surf culture, and again, this applies to both things that we're talking about today, is that appearance is so important. And most people that surf can't surf that well, or at least not nearly as well as you think that you can. I'm honestly one of them.
I mean, I've surfed for 30 years at this point, and I definitely don't surf as well as I think I do. Especially, you know, especially now because I haven't been surfing that much.
But so it's all out the window if you rip really hard, like, Jamie O'Brien compatible on whatever the fuck he wants to anywhere in the world because he rips. He's a one percenter, you know, like, you could.
Colin True
00:30:19.946 - 00:30:20.778
Exactly.
Justin Housman
00:30:20.954 - 00:30:29.546
Yeah, I would never in a million years where we had the hombres guy on that one time talking about, like, I would never in a trillion years be caught dead wearing sunglasses in the ocean ever.
Colin True
00:30:29.658 - 00:30:31.490
But, sorry, Nicola, but you will.
Justin Housman
00:30:31.530 - 00:31:11.500
I told, I think I said that on the show. Like, I just wouldn't do that.
But, like, if you go paddle out, like, in Santa Barbara this winter and, like, some of the, like, you know, the best point breaks in the, in the country, there will be some dudes in, like, hats and sunglasses. Sunglasses and just shredded, fucking killing it. And they're, like, 50 years old and they don't care about anything. Like, they're just killing.
And it's like they can do whatever they want, you know? And so, like, same deal with, like, a changing robe, right?
Like, if you see someone just, like, absolutely murdering waves and then they come in and they, and they bust out the weirdest shit, you'd be like, oh, that's cool. But you, but you can't do that because, you know, surf as well as they do. So you have to look at every other point when you're not surfing.
Like, you do surf really good. And it's, surfing is such a mind fuck.
Colin True
00:31:11.920 - 00:31:22.768
This is a really interesting point. That's why interesting distinction.
And of all our conversations for the past, like, year and a half, we've never made about surfing is hard, technically. Like, it is really fucking difficult. All the things we talked about.
Justin Housman
00:31:22.784 - 00:31:25.448
And I'm not saying that lion horn, by the way, that's just a fact.
Colin True
00:31:25.504 - 00:32:05.120
No, no, just is. I mean, I'll tell you, it is.
I mean, I, you know, again, I'm pushing ten years since I started surfing, and I'm still a beginner surfer, like, because I don't do it enough.
But I, the other thing about it is, is the mind games about this, and we all have this when we start a new sport, and you have to, we've talked about this, I think probably on gear and beer before, about how do you get over the hump on certain things, or how do you put away the embarrassment and just go try something.
And when it comes to surfing, it's not just like, okay, I get away from the trailhead and now I'm alone on a trail and I can look like a dumb kook on a mountain bike because I'm by myself.
Every time I paddle out on a day where it's pretty good, even if it's something that I feel like I can handle, there's going to be 30 people in the water who are light.
Justin Housman
00:32:05.160 - 00:32:09.544
Years ahead of me looking at you right away to see if, whether or not you're a threat, right?
Colin True
00:32:09.592 - 00:32:50.560
Are you going to come surf? And that's why a lot of times I will go where the waves aren't breaking nearly as well.
Or I'll just like, if it's all, if it's too spread out where I feel like I'm going to be interfering, I'm like, well, I guess I'm just riding the whitewash today because I refuse to be that guy as well. Let's just go out and fuck up anybody else's good time.
But even if it's okay and I can paddle out and there's two guys in the water, I know they're looking at me, and even if they're not, I think that they are. Right.
It's just like, you know, you have this self conscious thing more than probably any other sport because you have to go where the waves are, and that's where everybody else is gonna go. And that makes it really, really difficult.
It also means why when you get out of the water and you throw on your passenger waves, recycled Sherpa line changing robe feels extra cozy.
Justin Housman
00:32:52.220 - 00:32:55.524
It's like a hug. You didn't, you know, maybe you're a little bit embarrassed.
Colin True
00:32:55.532 - 00:32:55.980
You're busy waves.
Justin Housman
00:32:56.020 - 00:33:06.820
But I'm so warm. I mean, it's like, there's just like, trifectas of shit that you would never do.
One of them would be like, get out of the water with a soft top and go to your Tesla and put on, like, a changing rope. Like, that's just like.
Colin True
00:33:07.520 - 00:33:11.312
Well, apparently you don't surf in southern California, my friend. Cause it's exactly what you.
Justin Housman
00:33:11.496 - 00:33:37.802
There are certain things that are just like, giant flashing neon signs are like, I can't surf. I'm like, that's definitely what. Yeah, but it doesn't really. At the end of the day, who gives a shit?
But it's a really good point, though, about no one's watching you mountain bike. You know, like, I'm fine around. It's also different. Cause you know how to ride a bike. Like, you have at least the basics down.
Like, you might go slow, but you can do it. It's just different. Surfing is just so goddamn different. I can't wait to watch the patio. Sucks at surfing. One.
Because he's just gonna be, like, flabbergasted.
Colin True
00:33:37.906 - 00:33:43.906
All right, man. Let's have one more sip of our beer. Or mine. Mine has actually alcohol.
Justin Housman
00:33:43.978 - 00:33:44.570
Mine's a brew.
Colin True
00:33:44.610 - 00:33:45.162
Take a little slower.
Justin Housman
00:33:45.186 - 00:33:47.190
I just have a brew. Yeah, I'm almost done.
Colin True
00:33:48.650 - 00:33:50.626
Brew gooder passenger I'm really impressed with.
Justin Housman
00:33:50.658 - 00:33:53.954
Yeah, it is really good. I'd like to try some other brugad or stuff because they obviously know what they're doing.
Colin True
00:33:54.042 - 00:34:24.321
Yeah, it's made to roam. Well, as we kind of wrap things up here, like what? Just give us the perfect pairing here.
Not for the beer and the gear, but for the beginner fall surfer. What do you think? We already recommended a board we're obviously recommending, highly recommending this changing robe from.
By the way, you don't have to use a changing robe only for surfing. I will happily wear this thing to a trailhead to change for mountain biking or anything else where I don't want to wear to the trail. What?
I'm going to recreate it.
Justin Housman
00:34:24.345 - 00:34:24.949
Yes.
Colin True
00:34:25.529 - 00:34:29.921
But anyway. But we're talking mostly surfing today, so. Well, lay it on me.
Justin Housman
00:34:30.025 - 00:35:23.076
So depends on where you live, I guess. Because fall where I live usually means it's warm. But I assume that you're probably kind of meaning, like, end of fall. Like, it's getting chilly.
Like, it's not. Like, it's not like a, like a beach day type type thing. So you're getting into it, and it's not.
It's not, like, hot and sunny and, like, where you can just do whatever you want. So I would say comfort is the most important thing. Like, that's.
Like, that's the one thing that will keep you out of the water is not being comfortable. Right? Like, if it feels like it's. If it feels like it's a chore, if it feels like it's. It's physically unpleasant to do it, you won't do it.
So if you're, if you're a beginner and you want to, like, see through it through the winter and, you know, really see if this is something that you want to do, maximize your comfort. So something like this changing robe is perfect for that. Um, don't listen to what I said about it being like, you know, hardcore surfers judging you.
They won't do that anymore, and they're judging you. We can tell by the way you can. We can tell by the way you fucking take your board off your roof. Like, it doesn't matter. Just.
Colin True
00:35:23.108 - 00:35:30.044
And if you're being smart, you're surfing someplace where it doesn't matter. And you all started, you're just going to that beach break. Like I do. Like, who cares? Look at me all you want.
Justin Housman
00:35:30.132 - 00:37:48.008
It does not matter. They're not going to do anything. It doesn't fucking matter.
But I would do a changing robe just because it will keep you a lot warmer and it's just a lot easier. I would invest in something that makes sense for you to put your wetsuit in while you're changing.
For years, it's been like a big, deep rubbermaid tote. Doesn't be rubber made, but, like a plastic tote. I still think that's the best. You can buy specialized wetsuit buckets now, which I think are stupid.
Just get that. They're like, $20. It'll last you forever. You can melt wax in it. It's not going to hurt. Like, it's fine. You just throw in the back of your car.
It has a lid that seals, so if you don't take your suit out, the smell will be contained. So get yourself a nice something that's easy to change in and out of.
You want to get yourself a nice water bottle, and you can go nuts and, like, get a sleeve for it. So, like. So you fill it with warm water.
Always have warm water with you for rinsing off the, like, you know, local trick is you just throw it up on the dashboard so the sun beats it and warms it, but nothing better than, like, warm watering together. That'll make you feel better, make you kind of even if you had a bad time, it kind of washes that off. So you want that. Another secret.
Always have a third. Always have a. Like a thermos or like a double. Like a vacuum, you know, whatever. Like a double walled thing of coffee or tea. If you like that.
You want something hot when you get the water. Always. These are the things that keep you, like, motivated, and they're like little treats, you know? So, like, I know it sounds lame, but it's true.
Like, if you know you're coming back to the car and you got, like, coffee and, like, a muffin. Oh, kidding me. I mean, that, like, it just makes the whole experience that much better. So I would do that too.
But, yeah, water to wash yourself off with. Uh, a nice bucket for change or a nice tote. Rubber, like a plastic tote for changing. To make it easy.
Um, something to, like, make sure you get the sand off your feet. So that's so, like, it just. It makes this whole experience. Sand on your feet in the summertime is fine. Sand on your feet in the wintertime sucks.
Cause you're probably putting socks and shoes on. So, like, it just these little things that will kill the vibe if you don't take care of them all.
You got to take care of all these little things, then, of course, you know, I would. I would get a soft top. I would get a catch. Surf 80 if you don't already have one. If not, find any soft top brand.
Something around the eight foot mark is fine. Anything too big gets really cumbersome and hard to carry, especially if you're small.
Tires you out faster, you lose a lot of benefit really, really fast.
Colin True
00:37:48.184 - 00:37:49.184
You're forgetting the most important.
Justin Housman
00:37:49.232 - 00:37:51.208
Earplugs. Probably crucial.
Colin True
00:37:51.264 - 00:37:53.192
That's not what I was thinking, but beer.
Justin Housman
00:37:53.256 - 00:37:53.900
Beer.
Colin True
00:37:54.480 - 00:37:55.952
Yeah, a little cooler, full of beer.
Justin Housman
00:37:56.056 - 00:37:58.300
I mean, that is really nice. God, that's nice.
Colin True
00:37:59.240 - 00:38:00.752
With some. With some brew gooder.
Justin Housman
00:38:00.776 - 00:38:14.872
Yeah, brew gooder makes, like, well, ipa is fine. If brew gooder makes, like a. Like, a porter or something like that.
Like, get out of a nice, cold fall day, and it's, like, gray, and you, like, crack open a porter sitting on your tailgate of your Tesla. Cybertruck. Oh, now we're talking.
Colin True
00:38:14.976 - 00:38:16.936
All right, man. Well, there you go, everybody. Go surfing.
Justin Housman
00:38:16.968 - 00:38:19.020
Yeah, go. Well, not. Just. Not near me.
Colin True
00:38:21.720 - 00:38:22.848
I think we made a podcast.
Justin Housman
00:38:22.904 - 00:38:24.776
I think we made a podcast. We did it again.
Colin True
00:38:24.848 - 00:38:50.060
Well done. Well done. Well, that's it, guys. So, yeah. Thank you, passenger. Thank you for the. Thank you for the gear.
Thanks to Justin Houseman for giving us the breakdown on soft top surfboards. Gear and beer is a production of Rockfight LLC. For Justin, I'm Colin true. He's back to take us out.
The voice of the Rock Fight podcast network, Krista makes. He's gonna perform the gear and beer theme song. We'll see you next time.
Chris DeMakes
00:38:55.350 - 00:39:35.310
We have experienced lots of tales to tell. Just like you're with your pals out on the trail. We review outdoor adventure gear. Pair it with the perfect beer. Now let the games begin.
So glad that you're here. At the break, the put in the trailhead. We're going to crack open the cooler, and in five of beverage, where we can celebrate our wins.
Those losses we hold so close. The bottom line here is you'll get the pairings that matter most.
Justin Housman
00:39:50.810 - 00:39:54.050
Bite of.
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