Today Colin and Justin break down some recent headlines to come out of the outdoor adventure community.
First up is the news that Black Diamond is partnering with Rainier Mountaineering, Inc to help with their product development. This is a reunion between BD president Neil Fiske and RMI owner Peter Whittaker who teamed up at Eddie Bauer to create First Ascent.
Next the boys make a stop at Housman's House to talk about Justin's story covering the efforts to get single use plastics out of our National Parks.
Then they talk about the reports that the world's largest glacier could potentially collide with South Georgia Island.
Lastly they of course wrap things up with The Parting Shot!
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Episode Transcript
Chris DeMakes
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Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight. Rock fight.
Colin True
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Welcome to the Rock Fight, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head.
I'm Colin True, and joining me today, he's spending nights in his freezer to get ready for the cold of Michigan. It's Justin Houseman.
Justin Housman
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That would work. I mean, I can't fit. I can't really fit in there. I guess it's been.
Colin True
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We're like, we're going to Michigan in a couple of weeks.
Justin Housman
00:00:29.630 - 00:00:31.542
About two weeks from today, I think it's.
Colin True
00:00:31.606 - 00:00:32.486
Oh, yeah, it is two weeks.
Justin Housman
00:00:32.558 - 00:00:42.998
It's been really cold here, relatively speaking. I mean, in the bay. Yeah. Well, in North Bay, at least. Yeah. Like, you know, I mean, ice on the windshield and stuff every morning.
Colin True
00:00:43.134 - 00:00:43.930
Whoa.
Justin Housman
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That's a big deal.
Colin True
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It was 36 here.
Justin Housman
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I still want to see how it could be that cold down there. That's wild.
Colin True
00:00:48.806 - 00:00:57.982
It was when I took the kids to school, and then I looked, and I'm like, a couple days before because, you know, the forecast doesn't go up that far. It's like, oh, Marquette, Michigan high of 20. I'm like, I'm gonna die.
Justin Housman
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You grew up. Thick blood. You grew up with it.
Colin True
00:01:01.526 - 00:01:17.054
I don't know. I think it goes away pretty quick, I think so. Justin and I are going to Michigan on a.
We're getting toured around the Upper Peninsula to do some cool outdoorsy stuff that we'll talk about in the podcast in the future. But that's in. In a couple of weeks, so it's going to be rough for the California boys.
I feel like, compared to some of the other folks are probably going to.
Justin Housman
00:01:17.062 - 00:01:21.742
Be there with us. I'll be fine. I'm not worried about it. I got big. I got jackets.
Colin True
00:01:21.886 - 00:02:04.236
All right, well, today, Justin and I will be reacting to some stories that come out of the outdoor adventure community, including a partnership for Black D. Going to take a stop into Housman's house to talk about news coming out of the National Park Service. And.
And also what is happening out there with a really big block of ice. But before we get to any of that, if you missed Monday's episode of the Rock Fight, go back and check it out.
We talked about REI's exclusive that they have about Altra's new lone peak, the one with Vibram. They have an exclusive on that. And we had brought on especially retailer, who's not real happy about that.
And then also come back this Friday for the conversation that Justin and I are going to have with Rochelle Schrute from Gear Junkie. We're going to talk about why human powered outdoorsy people hate hunters.
Justin Housman
00:02:04.268 - 00:02:11.452
That is not true. Some probably, some definitely do. But I mean, I would not make blanket statements like that, Colin.
Colin True
00:02:11.596 - 00:02:22.348
Well, fine, that's a good point. But we're actually recording that conversation later this week, so we'll see what we talk about. But that episode will go up on Friday.
So, Justin, what do you have to tell our listeners? The listeners.
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Uh, well, you're, you know, your whole bonus Rock by bonus is tied to subscribers.
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I get zero percent of zero, so. But yeah, folks, the newsletter, it's fantastic, comes out every Tuesday, which is a good, frankly, it's a good day for newsletter.
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Colin True
00:03:42.482 - 00:04:06.354
Hey, last thing I want to mention in a little programming reminder section, you know, we talk a lot about we, we solicit emails a lot like, hey, Send us an email@myrockfightgmail.com, which you should. I started think of, like, you know, and we get a fair amount of them. A lot of them, though.
A lot of repeat emailers or a lot of just, hey, love what you guys are doing, you know, so, you know, things you could send us if you want to send show ideas, you know, not sure we'll do it, but we'd love to hear what. What you want to hear on this podcast also.
Justin Housman
00:04:06.442 - 00:04:09.362
Certainly not gonna do it, frankly, but we still want to hear from you.
Colin True
00:04:09.466 - 00:04:28.338
Yeah, we want to hear topics. What interests you? Like, what are the things you want to hear in the show? Like, what are ideas? Do you want us to, like, draft sports again?
Do you want us to talk about movies? Do you want us to talk about more brand stuff? Like, you know, send it on over. So just, you know, send us. Send us suggestions.
Send us what you like about the show. Send us what you dislike about the show. If you're like that guy last week who just hates us, we want to hear that, too. Hates you, Cole.
Justin Housman
00:04:28.434 - 00:04:29.042
Hate me.
Colin True
00:04:29.146 - 00:06:19.814
Sorry. Hates me. He loves you. And producer Dave. So anyway, yeah, please.
So send us your emails myrockflightmail.com all right, so let's get into our top story today, which is presented by your hub for ultralight gear, Garage, Growing gear, and according to a press release I saw on Shopee Surf Outdoor, otherwise known as Siso, Black diamond, will be partnering with Rainier Mountaineering Incorporated, otherwise known as rmi, to inform product design and field testing at Black Diamond.
This news makes a lot of sense since BD president Neil Fisk was at the helm of Eddie Bauer when he collaborated with Mountaineer and RMI owner Peter Whitaker to launch First Ascent in a similar fashion. Meaning, and what I mean by similar fashion is using, you know, the mountain guide team of RMI to inform the products that they are making.
At Eddie Bauer, now with Black Diamond. Also after First Ascent, Peter launched Mountain Logic, which eventually became Bike Gear.
And Mountain Logic was actually a collaboration at polartech when I was there. So I got to see a little bit behind the curtain on that.
And the reason I bring all that up is I think these kinds of collaborations are really obvious.
Like, every brand has athletes and ambassadors, and they give feedback on products, and those athletes, ambassadors give feedback on those products to the brands. But what I love about this is that the key players here are guides, and their feedback goes, you know, beyond comfort or just sort of convenience.
It's like, no, no, no. We have to be out there and take care of ourselves and our clients. So I know what I'm talking about when I say the zipper should go here, right?
It's a little different.
So I want to ask you, Justin, when I saw this headline, I thought it was an interesting conversation of, as someone who's evaluated a lot of gear in your career and apparel and everything, you know, what are endorsements that a brand or individual can give that get you either interested or excited at this point? Because, like, we talk about so much. Like, it's just so much is the same and so much isn't that differentiated. This one has some weight with me.
So I was just curious what you thought about that.
Justin Housman
00:06:19.902 - 00:06:39.930
I mean, if an athlete or a, a pop star endorses a product, I, I, I, you know, I know, right? Then it's, it's, it's, it's absolutely something I need to have.
You know, if, if, if Taylor Swift is endorsing it, I'm all on, I'm on board with that. If, if Shaq and, and Charles Barkley on NBA Tonight talk about it, I know it's going to be good.
Colin True
00:06:40.230 - 00:06:46.770
How, like, how far down the list, like, ABs, ABC Listers, any, any sort of a celebrity you're on, you're okay.
Justin Housman
00:06:47.120 - 00:06:50.648
You know, like, Mario Lopez is out there. Like, you're shilling for Brandon.
Colin True
00:06:50.744 - 00:06:55.016
No, that's the buy. You're like, no, but anybody above Mario, you're good.
Justin Housman
00:06:55.168 - 00:07:22.698
No, I, I get, I definitely think that the, oh, I would say the only endorsements I care about, if I was going to care about them at all, would be from something like rmi, like, like some sort of service or a company where people's lives are on the line and their business is on the line if the stuff that they're using doesn't work.
Um, you know, if, if all of a sudden RMI is like, yeah, we're going to use Kelty products for all of our stuff, I'd be like, huh, you know, like, right, I get.
Colin True
00:07:22.834 - 00:07:24.986
Right. That's a really, I guess they've made.
Justin Housman
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Huge strides in their products. You know, like, honestly, it would, it would get my attention, like, really fast. And so that's kind of the only one.
I mean, I've even, you know, from my long days in the surf industry or surf media industry, like, I never cared who rode for what surfboard label or what, what's. Like, none of that matters because, you know, it's all kind of the same. So I don't really care all that much what, like, Alex Honnold has to say.
About products or, or whatever, you know, like it's, it's fine, you know, I don't know, it just doesn't matter to me.
But when I, when it's a brand, if I can see that this brand is on the top of, you know, Everest or Lotsi or something like that, then okay, that's legit. Like, that's a legit piece of gear. And our RMI is as legit as it gets in terms of guiding services.
So I think that's, I mean, already just now from, from that story, I'm like, well, I guess Black diamond is making, you know, a big push into, I guess expanding their line.
Though I, I don't really think of Black diamond as like a high altitude brand, but maybe they've, maybe they do make things like for high altitude mountaineering and I just didn't know it.
Colin True
00:08:27.438 - 00:08:43.126
That's a good point. I'd be curious how this shapes, it forms the line because I know, yeah, they're, they're kind of an all mountain brand, right?
But also like with a really heavy emphasis, emphasis on rock climbing. So that's a good point. If this is going to expand anything or if they're just going to take those learnings and apply it across the board.
Justin Housman
00:08:43.278 - 00:08:53.570
But, but, but I mean, like, what do you think? Do you agree with that?
I mean, if, if you see, if you see like a legit mountaineering service using products, you're going to assume that that's pretty good stuff, right?
Colin True
00:08:53.950 - 00:10:14.376
Oh, without a doubt.
I think your, your point is well founded because you think about like, I don't know, like, well, we talk a lot about, you know, the journey you go on and some of the stuff that you have to kind of go through to kind of realize, you know, when to wear things or, you know, how what informs your outdoorsy journey when you go through things about what to gear and apparel and things like that. And I've worn a tenth of the wetsuits you've worn in your life.
But I've now surfed enough and been in the water enough and wore enough different things where I'm like, okay, I kind of get wetsuits, right? I know how they feel. I understand. Like, some are stretchier.
Like if you all the way up to the Patagonia, which isn't stretchy at all with the Ulic suits and all that kind of stuff. So if a guy like a Jamie O'Brien is like, hey man, Buell suits, they're the best.
It's like, well, you're just getting a Chance probably more than you. Right. They made the big. Which is like, I don't begrudge him that. He's one of the best surfers ever. Right.
So he should have a big fat check from a wetsuit brand. That's how that goes. But I don't really look at it and say, wow, man, I should really be wearing Buell wetsuits because Jamie O'Brien said so.
I, you know, I might be more aware of that brand because he said so, but it doesn't really inform how I would view them from a performance point of view. But if somebody who is, like I said, you're up on the mountain when you're a guide, if you've ever been done in a guided.
If you've ever done a guided trip on a mountain, you know what I'm talking about. Where they are always. They have to think about, again, keeping themselves safe, but also keeping their clients safe, making all the right decisions.
They don't have time to be distracted by the annoying thing.
Justin Housman
00:10:14.448 - 00:10:18.168
Yeah. They don't want to be. They do not want to be thinking about the gear. Yeah.
Colin True
00:10:18.264 - 00:10:38.992
So if there's something that's. Peter was.
I had the chance to chat with him with another podcast I did called Layers, and he was talking about how one reason he got into sort of taking an interest in designing gear and apparel was he was sponsored by somebody and they had a button on the pant that was right on his shinbone and, like, and it was right at the top of his boot. So he's just trudging uphill, guiding.
Justin Housman
00:10:39.056 - 00:10:39.280
Again.
Colin True
00:10:39.320 - 00:11:13.444
He has to, like, think of his clients first, while the whole time this button is just getting jammed into his own for, you know, like, that sounds horrible. And he got nothing he can do about it except maybe cut it off. But then you got a hole in your pants. So I just think this is.
And that's kind of what I mean. Like, I. The brands are kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel right now when it comes to innovation stories.
So something like this, I think, like, holds real weight. Like, this is really going to, you know, allow them to authentically differentiate themselves from their competitors.
When you have this kind of feedback and influence in your product lines. And I just don't know why more brands don't do more like it. It's usually just athlete driven.
Justin Housman
00:11:13.492 - 00:11:13.860
Yeah.
Colin True
00:11:13.940 - 00:11:15.172
And it feels more marketing.
Justin Housman
00:11:15.236 - 00:11:47.248
I don't know. I mean, what opportunities would they have? Like, I mean, there's only. I guess in theory.
I guess in theory, if you, if you're, you know, if You're Old Town or something like that or some sort of kayak manufact, you could probably. There's a lot of whitewater rafting services out there that you could probably. And they probably do, you know, contract with them to use their stuff.
But yeah, I don't like what's. You know, there's that all you, for the most part, in, you know, mountaineering in outdoor sports, generally speaking, you're all.
You have a bunch of solo actors. So you're going to have to just work with one particular athlete for the most part.
Colin True
00:11:47.304 - 00:12:02.052
Well, and the guide thing too. Again, back to having the work. They work with clients. So. Right.
So even if you have like a Dane Jackson or you're a whitewater kayaking company and you're like, you get to sign him, like, well, he's again, one of the best kayakers, he's going to be very specific about probably what he wants out of a boat. Is that going to translate to the novice kayaker?
Justin Housman
00:12:02.116 - 00:12:16.420
That's why I don't care about. And so what boards pro surfers ride? So, I mean, you could, you could, you could ride it.
You could ride the top of this workbench, you know, and probably do a turn on it. Like, I don't care if you're riding Channel Islands or rusty like it. It's all the same to me. I would put.
Colin True
00:12:16.460 - 00:12:30.176
That is a good point, though, because I mean, what, what are the opportunities that exist other than like a handful of guide services? And even this is a very specific one and that Peter's done this a couple of times now. Right.
I mean, is there like, like a surf comp or somebody like, oh, if these people endorse something, I might think better of that.
Justin Housman
00:12:30.248 - 00:12:35.024
No, because there's not really any, any like, services like that in the surf world. Not really.
Colin True
00:12:35.112 - 00:12:35.408
Right.
Justin Housman
00:12:35.464 - 00:12:49.968
And like, there's never, it's never life or death, you know, Like, I mean, even. I guess you could say that, you know, inflatable vests might be to a certain degree, but like, people surf without them all just fine. Like, I don't.
There's not anything where you get surfers.
Colin True
00:12:49.984 - 00:12:52.464
To people wearing inflatable vests crappy for.
Justin Housman
00:12:52.472 - 00:13:35.638
The most part in surfing. Like, it's not going to be an issue. That's true. So, no, there's not really. There's not really a comp.
What I, what I'm thinking of, though, is that, you know, I would go to.
If I was going to go garage growing gear, for example, and do some shopping for some ultralight Stuff this, you know, this coming summer, you know, I'd probably go to like Reddit and see what through hikers are talking about, you know, and like that, that, that kind of thing which is, you know, going to be in so.
Well, I would say that's probably on par with, with something like RMI basically giving like the, the, I don't know, the endorsement, I guess, of Black diamond.
If, you know, through hikers are generally all using the same pack or you see a ton of people saying how much they love a certain kind of tent, like, I'm gonna take stock in that for sure. So that.
Colin True
00:13:35.774 - 00:13:56.402
Yeah, that's a good point. And I imagine that some brands do that. I would hope they would.
I mean, because if it's just, you know, like, you know, oh, here's the new Ultra Runner.
So we're gonna sponsor them and now it's like they're great because we're gonna put them in ads and things like that versus, hey, this person did the triple crown last year and they have some really good opinions about what gear should be doing. And I imagine there's prob. Bit more of that in some of the more niche sports out there.
Justin Housman
00:13:56.426 - 00:14:21.148
I guess what it really comes down to is that since we've already established that for the most part everything works and everything's pretty good and it's really just about like taste and style. You know, it's just like if, if, if that's the thing that, that might be the thing that pushes somebody over the edge.
You know, I can't decide between this Black diamond or this mountain hardware, you know, down suit or whatever you call the, the things that you wear at the top of Everest. Oh, RMI is using Black Diamond. Okay, like, I'll go with that.
Colin True
00:14:21.204 - 00:14:22.876
You've, I've heard you rave about first ascent.
Justin Housman
00:14:22.908 - 00:14:35.020
Well, I was thinking that too. And like part of it is there's almost like a justification for having it when you see that. Oh, wow.
Like this is actually some, some like, you know, hardcore mountaineers love this stuff. That makes sense because I do too, you know, so. But like, I'm not.
Colin True
00:14:35.060 - 00:14:35.676
Because you're a hardcore.
Justin Housman
00:14:35.708 - 00:14:42.924
That's what I'm saying is like, I'm not putting it through the paces that these, that these people are. So it's, it's like I thought this was. Yeah, I thought this was pretty good. Turns out it is, you know, which is nice.
Colin True
00:14:42.972 - 00:14:47.644
So, yeah, most of our may have worn us up Everest five times, but I sit in my garage and let.
Justin Housman
00:14:47.652 - 00:14:53.210
Me tell you, I gotta walk down the street a few times a day. Like I can't have my jacket let me down.
Colin True
00:14:53.590 - 00:14:57.038
It may have worked for her. I don't know if it's gonna work for me. We'll find out.
Justin Housman
00:14:57.174 - 00:15:23.052
Yeah, I, I don't know. I, I still, I've never frankly understood how you, what the ROI is for any, anything involving having athletes wear your stuff.
I, I've never, I don't know. It makes sense if you're marketing towards like teenagers.
You know, sure they're going to be fired up, but to wear whatever they're like skate hero is wearing. But other than that, I've, I don't think I've ever made a decision based on what someone I saw was using or wearing. Whatever.
Colin True
00:15:23.116 - 00:15:43.726
Well, because most of them are that like B and C tier level personality. Right? Like if you can get a Jimmy Chan Alexander, a Jamie O'Brien, you know, somebody, it's like, we know who that is. Like, that's cool.
Like, you know, I get it and like you put them in an ad or whatever, but if it's like, hey, this person is an awesome athlete and they're really, really good, they've won like 100 mile ultramarathon or whatever, but no one really knows.
Justin Housman
00:15:43.758 - 00:16:04.830
Also they're gonna be like, people like that are gonna do well with anything. You know, let's.
I like what's like if you, if you could get some like mid-40s dad who isn't nearly as athletic as they used to be or as fit as they used to be. I'm gonna listen to that person more than I'm gonna listen to a 25 year old, you know, peak of their fitness level person.
Like that doesn't really help me so.
Colin True
00:16:04.870 - 00:16:11.098
You know, if I want to pump our own tires, would you rather have you and I endorse something over like an app?
Justin Housman
00:16:11.154 - 00:16:14.762
If I'm a regular Joe Blow customer? If you're a brand, honestly.
Colin True
00:16:14.826 - 00:16:15.354
Right, yeah.
Justin Housman
00:16:15.402 - 00:16:23.738
Because I mean we're your target market, but we're not, maybe we're not inspirational and say, I mean that's a. We got to look into the inspiration aspect, you know, but listen.
Colin True
00:16:23.754 - 00:16:31.642
Today's top story was presented by Garage Grown Gear. Listen guys, going ultralight, it isn't all about overhauling your big three. You know what the big three are?
Justin Housman
00:16:31.746 - 00:16:33.030
Are you asking me?
Colin True
00:16:33.410 - 00:16:33.978
I am.
Justin Housman
00:16:34.034 - 00:16:37.216
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Colin True
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Yeah. Pack, shelter, sleep system. It was right there in the outline.
Justin Housman
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I'm just looking at. You nailed it.
Colin True
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Without looking. You're so honest.
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Justin Housman
00:17:09.390 - 00:17:27.791
Speaking of which, I saw, I think it was on Instagram, an ad for a backpack bidet. It wasn't the one that we've talked about. It looked like something that you thread. I think this is how it works.
It looks like it's like a valve that you thread onto, like a regular water bottle and then you just squeeze the water bottle and it just shoots.
Colin True
00:17:27.965 - 00:17:30.699
Like implying that you should use your drinking water bottle.
Justin Housman
00:17:30.779 - 00:17:37.403
That's the impression that I got. I mean, which I don't know if I'm okay. Yeah, I mean, theoretically, you'd be fine. Like, you're not like, drinking.
Colin True
00:17:37.451 - 00:17:38.507
I guess there's no, like, you know.
Justin Housman
00:17:38.563 - 00:17:40.971
From the thing that. No.
Colin True
00:17:40.995 - 00:17:41.723
Anal backwash.
Justin Housman
00:17:41.771 - 00:17:50.507
Yeah, but still, I don't know. Just. I'm pretty sure that's how it worked. And I. I just saw the clip for long enough to be like, really? And then I, like, scrolled past. I should have.
And then, you know, you can never find the ad again, ever.
Colin True
00:17:50.643 - 00:18:01.928
I. I kind of feel I shouldn't feel bad, but I do, even because it's her fault.
But anytime I see backpacking bidet, I just think of our friend Shantay who had talked about this, like, over on Gear and Beer and it's it. I just now associate backpacking days with sh.
Justin Housman
00:18:01.984 - 00:18:06.568
You should. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She knows more about it than we do. She def. She's definitely used these things.
Colin True
00:18:06.624 - 00:18:11.384
All right, man, let's take a stop in Housman's house. What's the theme? You going to do the theme song?
Justin Housman
00:18:11.432 - 00:18:12.380
Have a theme song?
Colin True
00:18:12.720 - 00:18:14.952
I don't know. You just like, put. Come up with one.
Justin Housman
00:18:14.976 - 00:18:16.940
Just right now. Just come up with a theme song.
Colin True
00:18:17.920 - 00:18:19.272
Houseman's house.
Justin Housman
00:18:19.456 - 00:18:25.540
No, you just hear the natural. What we talk about natural sounds of Houseman's House. You know, just.
Colin True
00:18:25.840 - 00:18:29.860
You can hear it like the door might be, like, swaying in the wind a little back there.
Justin Housman
00:18:30.640 - 00:18:31.828
Happy laughter, children.
Colin True
00:18:31.884 - 00:18:34.388
You can hear. You can hear the creek of a safe door in the backyard.
Justin Housman
00:18:34.404 - 00:18:38.340
You hear my will to live just draining out of me every single day.
Colin True
00:18:38.460 - 00:18:39.140
Safe still there.
Justin Housman
00:18:39.180 - 00:18:42.360
Yeah. Of course it is, dude.
Colin True
00:18:42.860 - 00:18:49.316
Of course, longtime listeners will know the rock fight. The last day of the rock fight will be when that that safe goes away. Like, oh, we can't do the show.
Justin Housman
00:18:49.388 - 00:18:55.012
Someday we'll either sell the house or die. And someone will sell it for us or something and they'll be like, why is this safe out here? And nobody will know.
Colin True
00:18:55.196 - 00:19:13.054
All right, so Houseman's house. What do we do here? We talk.
These are some of the, we talk about some of the favorite things that our favorite outdoor journalist, Justin Hausman, has written about recently.
So, Justin, we're going to start with a piece you put up over on nationalparkstraveler.org this past Sunday regarding the plan to eliminate plastics from our national parks.
Justin Housman
00:19:13.182 - 00:19:13.694
Oh, yeah.
Colin True
00:19:13.742 - 00:19:17.006
Why don't you walk us through what's happening with plastics in the national parks.
Justin Housman
00:19:17.198 - 00:19:46.824
So basically, I want to say it was like 2017. Ish. Maybe a little bit, maybe maybe more recently than that.
The national parks decided, you know what, we're not going to use single, we're not going to have single use plastics anymore. Like, we're not going to make them available. We're not going to make them. You can't purchase them.
We're not going to, we're basically going to try to eliminate the use of them at all in any national park property. And so, but that, I mean, obviously, that's people just, that sounds, that's a great thing to do. Sure, let's do that. But I mean, can you imagine?
Colin True
00:19:46.872 - 00:19:49.592
Sounds great. But absolute says easy does hard of.
Justin Housman
00:19:49.616 - 00:20:49.812
Like, of actually making that happen. And so there's an organization called the Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility.
And so that's a, it's a, it's a, like a nonprofit sort of watchdog group that's composed of largely people that work for the government. And, and so they, they kind of, they like to hold sort of the Park Service. They do.
They don't only work with the Park Service, but they like to hold the Park Service feet to the fire whenever they can.
And so they basically, they reached out to every national park they could and got the information about what they were doing to actually make some of this happen. And in terms of actually reducing plastic use. And so there's a scorecard. You can go read it.
And I just kind of went through the, what the parks are trying to do, which is largely what you would expect, right?
Putting in drinking fountain systems or water bottle filling systems and just giving people like, I mean, it's so maddening to me when you go to Yosemite. And you see all these people walking around with just like a crystal geyser, plastic bottle of water in their hand, and you go like, what the hell?
And you realize, oh, yeah, all the gift shops are full of them, you know, so, like, of course they're going to do that.
Colin True
00:20:49.836 - 00:20:50.372
Exactly.
Justin Housman
00:20:50.436 - 00:21:16.704
And so you get those out, you have less of it. And like, like kind of, oh, who cares? Plastic, blah, blah, blah. But it's, it's. It. I mean, we know now that it's everywhere.
I mean, it's in, it's in the atmosphere. Microplastics are in the atmosphere. They're the water. They're in our food. They're everywhere. So, yeah, we've talked about. Yeah.
And so it's like, why not, why not take the step to. To, you know, think it's not just about. It's not just about keeping plastic out of the parks. That's great.
But it's also about just kind of educating people that, hey, you don't need to do this. There's other ways. Just get it.
Colin True
00:21:16.712 - 00:21:19.700
Just get a reasonable place to do that than. Than in a place of beauty.
Justin Housman
00:21:19.780 - 00:21:19.972
Right?
Colin True
00:21:19.996 - 00:21:20.724
I mean, it makes all the sense.
Justin Housman
00:21:20.772 - 00:22:19.508
And every single park you're going to selling water bottles with the, you know, local mountain ranges and printed on them. So, like, you have plenty of opportunity to not do it.
And like, I don't think people really think about it, but yeah, it's two bucks for a bottle of water, but you got ten times you could have bought a water bottle, you know, and so anyway. But yeah, but it was interesting that. So Pier is often very critical of what national parks are doing.
They usually feel like they're not doing enough, but they actually were relatively complimentary.
They were, you know, their, their only real, like, critique was like, it shouldn't take another because, oh, so the parks want to have all of the single use plastics out by like 2032. And so the real critique was like, it shouldn't be another seven years. Like, just, just, just speed the process up.
The band, you're doing all right, but like, let's, let's speed it up. Let's get. Let's, let's. You know, we could do this in a year or two. So, yeah, so it's kind of. It's like a good.
Kind of a good news, bad news situation, really. But it's pretty easy to imagine a future where you go to a national park and you don't have to worry about seeing, like, bottles everywhere.
I mean, that would be ideal, would be Ideal.
Colin True
00:22:19.524 - 00:22:49.196
You can also do what my wife does, who she's single handedly trying to, you know, make sure everyone in the world has their own hydro flask. Because she, what she, her system is, she buys a new hydro flask, she travels somewhere and leaves it, and then she leaves.
She literally got home from somewhere. I'm hoping that somebody finds it and use it. Because she's like, she literally got home from something she did with my daughter this weekend.
She's like, I think I needed to buy another water bottle. I mean this has happened like half a dozen times in the last like year and a half. I mean this is like just, just.
And I'm like, okay, you're just, you know, making sure everyone gets a reusable bottle.
Justin Housman
00:22:49.228 - 00:23:57.702
I hope they are getting reused and not just like chucked.
I, I have a, a beloved yeti tumbler that's brand like a dan or branded tumbler that I got at or like a long time ago and it was just gone, you know, like, like I just realized one day, where the hell is that? Like, I haven't seen it forever. Like I have the lid. Where's the top? Where's the bottom?
Like I just could not, you know, and I just kind of figured, oh, I left, must have left it on my car one day or whatever. I don't know. It's gone.
And then, you know, I don't know, months later, I'm sitting in my, my favorite, my favorite little bar down the street, Gestalt House here. Classic mountain bike sausage beer place. And just kind of looking behind the bar, just, you know, looking at stuff. And all of a sudden I see it.
I see my, my yeti tumbler up on their shelf and I was just like, that's mine. To the bartender, like, no way. And they're all, we wondered where it came from. And like, I'm like, can I have it back? Like, yeah, of course. Here.
Like it's clean now.
They're like, but you should know, this is what we use to like give when like homeless dudes come by and ask to like wash the windows for a beer, we usually give them one. This is the, this is the cup that we always use. I was like, I don't care. That's great. So anyway, did you keep it, did.
Colin True
00:23:57.726 - 00:23:59.270
You let them keep their homeless guy beer cup?
Justin Housman
00:23:59.310 - 00:24:06.454
You know, they got their own. I wanted that back. They got mugs. They can give them mugs. But, but yeah, so sometimes you, sometimes you get them back, sometimes you find them again.
Colin True
00:24:06.542 - 00:24:07.410
That's great.
Doug Schnitzspahn
00:24:08.990 - 00:25:12.110
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Colin True
00:25:15.290 - 00:25:41.126
Open Container launches January 21st. Find and follow the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, last story today.
It comes from Explorers Web that the world's largest iceberg is on course to collide with South Georgia Island. South Georgia island sits in the South Atlantic and is a. A rugged, remote island north of Antarctica and east of Tierra del Fuego.
It's also the final resting place of Ernest Shackleton.
Justin Housman
00:25:41.158 - 00:25:41.702
That's amazing.
Colin True
00:25:41.766 - 00:25:49.286
But to me, the store. Yeah, the story about this, though, is the size of this iceberg, which is the size. It's the size of Rhode island thrown.
Justin Housman
00:25:49.318 - 00:26:10.646
Out all the time. And I know you're about to get to it, but I just think it's hilarious that that's like, nobody knows how big Rhode island is.
Like, we like what's weird state standards. The weird thing about it is we always. You always use it to be like, wow, this thing is big, but you're using the smallest state.
Like, I don't know what that means. Are you saying that it's small because Rhode island is tiny. I hate that people use that comparison so much.
Colin True
00:26:10.798 - 00:26:21.718
That's a fair criticism because it is sort of like there's like a. There's like a glacier in Alaska. Like, oh, it's the size of Rhode Island. But I think it's like. I think it's like 60 plus miles top to bottom.
Justin Housman
00:26:21.814 - 00:26:25.222
Rhode island, small state. That's a giant iceberg.
Colin True
00:26:25.366 - 00:26:28.326
We talk about stuff in the universe making us feel an iceberg that's that big.
Justin Housman
00:26:28.398 - 00:26:28.982
Yeah.
Colin True
00:26:29.126 - 00:26:35.414
This makes me feel smaller. The fact that I could spend an hour driving across this iceberg if I was going 60 miles per hour.
Justin Housman
00:26:35.582 - 00:26:41.026
Like that's someone. Some YouTuber, right? Was thinking about a way to do just that. How am I going to get Mr.
Colin True
00:26:41.058 - 00:26:42.354
Beast is how am I going to.
Justin Housman
00:26:42.362 - 00:27:01.790
Get my car out there? I heard about this on the radio this morning, oddly enough.
Probably an npr this exact story, maybe not the Explorers web one, but that this iceberg might hit South Georgia island. And apparently, like I believe this. The. The scientific technical term is really. It up. Like it's. It could do some serious damage.
I mean, can't be moving there.
Colin True
00:27:02.170 - 00:27:12.250
No, it. It could disrupt. It could. At the bottom of the ocean as it gets closer. It could if it. The way if. Depending on how it collides with the island.
Because there. These are like meters high. Is that how high?
Justin Housman
00:27:12.630 - 00:27:13.646
I wonder how deep it goes.
Colin True
00:27:13.678 - 00:27:19.582
It could disrupt ecosystems on the island because there's like predators and penguins and stuff who live on the island. It absolutely could.
Justin Housman
00:27:19.766 - 00:27:50.762
You know what's amazing is if it's going slow enough to where if you were near and you're just kind of looking out one day you're like, oh, look at that ice in the distance. You know, probably looks like. It doesn't look like an iceberg. Looks like a giant, like piece of sea, whatever. Like, almost like land, right?
And then the next day you're like, is that. Is it. Is it closer? It can't be. Is that closer? And then like, you know, it took you like two weeks before. Like, son of a. I swear to God it's closer.
That's how it would have been before, you know, in the good old days, before we had any kind of technology or communications equipment. You'd be getting your buddies over here. Be like, so what do you think? Is that getting closer?
Colin True
00:27:50.826 - 00:28:08.538
You know, there's a part of you, like, it'd be cool to see. Like, you know, we'd all die. But it'd be interesting to see the. And a big asteroid hit the Earth.
But what would be interesting to witness that there would. I think it would be interesting to witness that even though I don't want that to happen.
Is this a sort of a smaller equivalent of that where there's a camera set up on shore and here comes the iceberg and I'll watch it till it hits.
Justin Housman
00:28:08.554 - 00:28:16.100
I mean, I would absolutely watch. That's a really good point. I would absolutely watch the hell out of that. I'm sure that will be a thing.
They'll be like on explore.org they'll have, like, they'll somehow get a camera out there.
Colin True
00:28:16.880 - 00:28:22.540
What's better, going traveling to see an eclipse or watching a giant iceberg run into South Georgia Island? Gosh.
Justin Housman
00:28:23.600 - 00:28:32.808
Probably the iceberg. I don't know. I think it might be the. I think it might be let down. It might be like. I mean, you can't tell that right now.
Like, continents are colliding. Is it gonna, like. It might be like that.
Colin True
00:28:32.864 - 00:28:33.560
That's a good point.
Justin Housman
00:28:33.600 - 00:28:47.280
It might just be, like, one day. It's not. It's not like there's gonna be, like, a dock that's gonna get crushed as this iceberg. Like. Like, it's probably. I mean, the south.
South Georgia island is probably irreg. So, like, who knows what it'll actually look like?
Colin True
00:28:47.740 - 00:28:51.604
Well, I still think it's better because the eclipse, like, even when it happens, it's over in, like, 20 minutes.
Justin Housman
00:28:51.652 - 00:29:01.204
Yeah, but. Yeah, but it takes, like, the center of the universe or something. Like, crazy stuff happens to you, metaphysically, when you see the.
When you see this, I assume people get pretty, like, whacked out about it.
Colin True
00:29:01.292 - 00:29:03.444
They drive to, like, Texas, and it sounds like you're.
Justin Housman
00:29:03.492 - 00:29:21.554
You're imagining, like, a Looney Tunes level of, like, collision with, like, the. Like the. The iceberg is going to hit South Georgia island, and I don't know what's going to happen, but the.
Be, you know, something funny and loud at the same time. I bet it won't be like that. I am also wondering if we knew this was happening or if this is just like. Do they just, like, wait a minute.
Is that moving like. Or like, it seems like.
Colin True
00:29:21.642 - 00:29:42.990
No, it's been. It's been years. It got.
It actually got caught in a gyre for a while, and it was just sort of, like, bobbing around, and then I guess it emerged, and now it's just on track to hit, I guess.
You know, it's not infrequent that big icebergs are around South Georgia island because I think of the proximity to Antarctica, but, you know, so, you know, Rhode island jamming. Jamming into, you know, Rhode Island's. Rhode Island's big enough that if it bumped into you, you would notice.
Justin Housman
00:29:43.070 - 00:30:11.984
Yeah, you would.
One thing I do always think about when it comes to this kind of thing is that the mechanics behind, like, sea ice breaking off, floating around, melting, can't be that different than, like, the ice cubes in a glass. Right. And so, like, just on a massive scale, basically. So I. What I had to think of is like, okay, like.
Like my ice cube kind of broke off, and it's just kind of floating around in my. In my drink and, like, melting gradually, and it just be like I won't even think about it or notice. And that's kind of.
Of like, that's what's happening.
Colin True
00:30:12.032 - 00:30:15.024
There's some microbes in your water that are like, yeah, totally. Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:30:15.072 - 00:30:30.512
But I mean, that's what's happening here. Just like a big piece of ice broke off another piece of ice. It'll just. It'll. It'll take, like, thousands of years for it to melt.
But, like, it's just because it's big. I mean, like, some giants looking down at this, and it looks like my ice in my. In my, you know, whiskey at the end of the night and the.
And the ice is melting. It's the same thing.
Colin True
00:30:30.616 - 00:30:50.264
Yeah. It was a Neil DeGrasse Tyson thing that said if you basically were a being for this. If you.
If you were being large enough that the earth was the size of, like, a cue ball, it would actually be. The earth would feel smoother than a cue ball does to us. Like, that's how. That's the imperfections. If you expand it to global size, would.
Like, our mountains would be ginormous compared to what we have now. That's how.
Justin Housman
00:30:50.432 - 00:30:52.792
Right. That's neat. I've never heard that before.
Colin True
00:30:52.976 - 00:31:00.620
I thought that was so cool, too. Like, so basically, if you could. If your finger was. You could, like, rub your finger over the earth.
It would just feel super smooth, regardless of, like, Mount Everest.
Justin Housman
00:31:01.280 - 00:31:08.254
Things up like this gigantic finger just like. Ah. Just tearing apart the earth. Whoa.
Colin True
00:31:08.302 - 00:31:11.534
Well, that's what's gonna happen on South Georgia island, and I'm here for it. I'm gonna watch it and it's.
Justin Housman
00:31:11.582 - 00:31:13.726
I'll watch it with you. We'll do a live cast. We'll do a live show.
Colin True
00:31:13.798 - 00:31:15.310
Yeah. Still coming.
Justin Housman
00:31:15.350 - 00:31:17.070
It's still coming. I may have hit something.
Colin True
00:31:17.110 - 00:31:23.570
It's a little close, Justin. You think? It's a little closer. All right, it's time for the parting shot.
Justin Housman
00:31:28.230 - 00:31:33.006
Am I going first? Don't remember so sure.
Colin True
00:31:33.078 - 00:31:33.774
I don't remember either.
Justin Housman
00:31:33.822 - 00:31:34.820
I think so. So. Feels right.
Colin True
00:31:34.860 - 00:31:41.908
I don't really have a good one today. I was just thinking about something, though, because I saw a thing that Michaela Shiffrin is coming.
I guess she got injured at the beginning of her season, and she's going for some record.
Justin Housman
00:31:41.964 - 00:31:46.516
She got, like, impaled by either her ski pole or the fence. It was gnarly.
Colin True
00:31:46.708 - 00:31:55.492
I heard about that. But I care more that the Kansas City Chiefs fail at all costs than I care one bit about Michaela Shifra.
Justin Housman
00:31:55.556 - 00:31:56.164
I think that's fine.
Colin True
00:31:56.212 - 00:33:15.956
And. And, well, I don't know. I. But why, though, right? I played one season of midget football. I never played competitive football.
I never played competitive baseball or basketball. But what happens in any of those sports are any. Are way more important to me than any professional outdoor event that we have.
I will make no plans ever to sit down and watch any organized outdoor event, but I'll put on a random baseball game during the summertime. They like to have two teams I don't care about. Like, oh, yeah, I watch some baseball.
And I guess I was thinking about this because you'd think I'd want to. I center my life around wanting to get outside.
And I would think that would be different, that I'd want to see pro skiers and riders do things that they do that are incredible. But I really couldn't find it less interesting. Like pro sport. Pro outdoor sports I am not interested in at all.
And I don't know if it's because Main street sports are kind of like this way we are able to like, unify sort of the broad range of people that exist in the world.
Like that scene at the end of Major League where the Indians are playing and the Yankees playing the Yankees, and they cut to the local bar and there's like the blue collar guys and the, like, the punk rock guys all hanging out, like, united, you know, through. Through the game.
But I just can't imagine a world where that ever happens with outdoor athletes, you know, and outdoor brands and folks out there will keep trying to make that happen. But I mean, there's obviously examples.
We were talking earlier about, you know, influencers and stuff like that from the outdoor world who break through. But I just can't bring myself to care about most outdoor competitions unless I'm in one of them. And I think that's kind of weird.
Justin Housman
00:33:15.988 - 00:33:16.676
Do you want me to weigh.
Colin True
00:33:16.708 - 00:33:17.140
That's my part.
Justin Housman
00:33:17.180 - 00:33:18.916
You want me to weigh in on your parting shot?
Colin True
00:33:19.108 - 00:33:19.508
Sure.
Justin Housman
00:33:19.564 - 00:33:25.716
I mean, I think I know why. And it's that you've always watched football and baseball and basketball.
Colin True
00:33:25.748 - 00:33:26.180
It could be.
Justin Housman
00:33:26.220 - 00:33:58.264
Yeah. Cultural thing, like you. It means more to you than. Than professional skiing does. Does. I mean, that's just.
It doesn't matter that you've skied more than you've played football. You know what I mean? Like, it. Like, it's not something that's on top of your mind. You probably couldn't Name five professional skiers.
But I bet you can name five players on the Golden State warriors for some reason. You know what I mean? Like, it's just. It's just part of. It's part of the fabric of your existence in a way that professional outdoor sports aren't.
And for the most part, I mean, I could. Like, I also think in a lot of ways, I think professional outdoor sports are kind of silly. I mean, I don't have a. Like, an issue.
Colin True
00:33:58.352 - 00:33:59.288
That's maybe what I think.
Justin Housman
00:33:59.344 - 00:34:05.956
I don't have, like, an issue with, like, professional ski racing. I mean, that seems cool, but, like, also just, like. I don't know. Like, it just doesn't. It's not dramatic.
Colin True
00:34:05.988 - 00:34:15.988
I like watching clips, right. Like, if there's a surf competition or like, oh, there's. Here's the clip of Michaela Shiffrin winning her 100th whatever. Like, I'll watch it.
Like, oh, that's great, but I don't want to sit. I wouldn't plan an afternoon around.
Justin Housman
00:34:16.044 - 00:34:23.440
No, I wouldn't either, but I would. Again, like, with the. I think it's. It's probably just. It's got to just be something that we're used to. It has to be.
Colin True
00:34:23.740 - 00:34:27.668
I think it's also that professionals, regular, mainstream sports are more entertaining.
Justin Housman
00:34:27.764 - 00:34:35.536
Well, they were made for that purpose. Right. I mean, like, skiing. Skiing is a form of transportation that, like, developed, you know, a way to, like, get really fast going downhill.
Colin True
00:34:35.568 - 00:34:37.040
Fur trappers and. Right.
Justin Housman
00:34:37.160 - 00:34:41.552
Like, the NFL exists solely as entertain. Like, they perfected the entertainment aspect of it, you know?
Colin True
00:34:41.656 - 00:34:41.920
Right.
Justin Housman
00:34:41.960 - 00:34:45.216
Or lack of, if you don't like it. But you know what I mean. You know what I'm getting at here?
Colin True
00:34:45.288 - 00:34:50.288
Yeah, I was just thinking about that after I saw that, and then I saw the Chiefs win. I'm like, God damn it, The Chiefs were gonna win again. It's gonna.
Justin Housman
00:34:50.384 - 00:34:55.312
Just the parting shot. Like, nobody wants the Chiefs to win. It's a good enough parting shot. I mean, that's just.
Doug Schnitzspahn
00:34:55.336 - 00:34:55.792
That's the whole thing.
Justin Housman
00:34:55.816 - 00:35:11.846
I watched part of that game last night at my local pub, and, like, nobody. Everybody was rooting for the Bills. Everybody in there. Everybody in America is rooting for the Bills.
I think you should have just stuck to the dislike of the Chiefs, General speaking, as your parting shot. Not so much working. Working in outdoor sports. Well, I'm gonna.
Colin True
00:35:11.878 - 00:35:12.758
What do you got? What's your party?
Justin Housman
00:35:12.814 - 00:35:16.410
So mine is. Mine is to myself. Are we allowed to do that? Parting shots to ourselves?
Colin True
00:35:16.750 - 00:35:17.574
There's no rules.
Justin Housman
00:35:17.622 - 00:37:07.010
Okay, so. So it's it's, it's trying. I don't really.
I'm trying to think of how to phrase this as a parting shot, but basically, you know, after I hurt myself really bad, some bike, on a mountain bike, like four years ago, I went out and bought a bunch of protection, right? I'm like, okay. You know, even though I.
Even though elbow pads or any kind of body armor would not have helped what happened to me because I broke my shoulder, like, still, you know, just like, okay, I got it. This is, this is. There's a real chance for actual injury here. I'm going under the knife to prove it.
After I got my braces off and I invested all this money in my mouth, I went out, bought a full face helmet because I'm like, I'm not going to fall and like, bro, break a tooth after spending all that money on my, on my mouth, right? I mean, it seems logical. Cool.
I thought of these things last weekend as I'm falling off my bike on a rock garden, effectively naked, save for my shorts and a T shirt. You know, just like colliding with boulders. With my knees and my. And my elbows and my.
And side of my helmet, all I could think about was my knee protection back home. Just like, I can see they're right over there. My POC knee guards. They're just sitting right there. I didn't wear them.
I've worn them twice since I got them because I just don't feel like wearing protection. And like, as my. My head is like coming toward the boulders, I'm thinking I should really, really wear my full face right now. But I'm not.
I couldn't tell you why. I just didn't feel like it. And so my parting shot is to. It's. It's to. It's directed toward me.
It's directed toward me like last week just like, where, where the man wear the protection. You got it for a reason.
Like, yeah, it's nice not to have a full face helmet, but imagine how horrible I would feel if I like, woke up in the hospital and all my front teeth were gone on, you know, I feel bad. Pretty horrible. So, yeah, I'm just trying to. I'm just reminding myself now that you bought that for a reason. You need to wear it.
You're not superhuman. This goes to everybody out there.
Colin True
00:37:07.790 - 00:37:20.870
Well, I. The knee pads one, I feel like no matter what, you always just give those freak things.
Like, I mean, even the way you described when you fell and hit your knee, like, you probably could have zoomed through that and without any consequence on like what, nine times out of ten. Right?
Justin Housman
00:37:20.910 - 00:37:21.318
Yeah.
Colin True
00:37:21.414 - 00:37:30.182
Right. The full face one, though, I'm like, I don't know. Do you really feel like that one? Like, do you really need that?
I understand what you're saying, but like, do you. Where, where you ride, do you feel.
Justin Housman
00:37:30.206 - 00:37:57.894
Like that is a. I mean, I would say. I would say generally, no. Generally no and not. But that's what I mean.
Not on that, like, that trail isn't particularly technical other than that one rock garden. And. But I also, the last time I fell, there was a really bad fall where I fell like multiple feet down into like a little gully thing.
And like, again, it's kind of a miracle that I didn't hit something more important. Important. But I guess, like, I don't like to wear the full face because it looks like I'm trying hard. You know what I mean?
Like, it looks like I'm trying to be like a motocross guy or whatever.
Colin True
00:37:57.942 - 00:37:59.478
Full face, definitely. Like, it projects.
Justin Housman
00:37:59.494 - 00:38:07.174
Yeah. And that's kind of why I don't wear it. But that's so the knee pads for sure. Just wear the knee pads. Just wear the knee pads.
Colin True
00:38:07.222 - 00:38:13.206
No, because, like, even if you're like riding, you know, something. I don't know, I write in places you wouldn't think you were. Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:38:13.318 - 00:38:15.734
On the street. You know, you take a street or.
Colin True
00:38:15.742 - 00:38:21.046
Even like double track and if you fall there, you're still just gonna lose skin, even if you're not like hurt.
Justin Housman
00:38:21.078 - 00:38:21.466
Hur.
Colin True
00:38:21.558 - 00:38:23.074
Right. Which that's annoying.
Justin Housman
00:38:23.202 - 00:38:29.390
So, yeah, I'm not going to do any of that. But still, my party shots to myself to remind myself to do that.
Colin True
00:38:30.730 - 00:38:35.090
All right, man, let's wrap it up there. I think that's the show for today.
Justin Housman
00:38:35.210 - 00:38:36.434
It was a good shot. I'm always sad.
Colin True
00:38:36.482 - 00:38:37.058
Send us your email.
Justin Housman
00:38:37.114 - 00:38:37.810
Sad when they end.
Colin True
00:38:37.850 - 00:38:38.866
I am too. I went really fast.
Justin Housman
00:38:38.898 - 00:38:40.066
You did go by fast.
Colin True
00:38:40.258 - 00:38:46.194
Yeah. Well, like we said, guys, we want your emails. Send them to myrockfightmail.com I'm sure we said something that would tell us if.
Justin Housman
00:38:46.202 - 00:38:48.508
You want a two hour show, we can keep going.
Colin True
00:38:48.564 - 00:38:50.556
You know, we'll just keep just cranking.
Justin Housman
00:38:50.588 - 00:38:53.200
You want a Joe Rogan esque three and a half hour podcast?
Colin True
00:38:53.620 - 00:38:58.092
That's what we're building towards. I feel like year five of the Rock Fight, we're just gonna have like the longest podcast.
Justin Housman
00:38:58.156 - 00:39:01.228
Just gonna wake up the commander, start recording, just like stream of consciousness.
Colin True
00:39:01.324 - 00:39:14.310
But hey, guys, the product, the Rock Fights, a production of Rock Fight LLC for Justin Helsman. I'M Colin Truth. Thanks for listening. And he's back to take us out. It's Chris to makes. He's gonna sing the Rock Fight Fight song.
See you next time, Rock Fighters.
Chris DeMakes
00:39:14.390 - 00:40:10.260
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