Binge-watching & Backpacks: Reviewing Outdoor Pop Culture
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Today on the show Colin is joined by outdoor pop culture aficionado, Shawnté Salabert, to talk through some of the more quintessential outdoor movies of the last 25 years: A Walk In The Woods, Wild, Touching The Void, and 127 Hours. The two talk about what works about these movies from and outdoorsy perspective and some outdoor movies simply fall flat.
Then in a new segment called Shawnté Explains!, Shawnté talks about why pop culture actually matters more to the outdoor community then some may think and offers suggestions on how outdoor enthusiasts can enrich themselves and the world around them.
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Episode Transcript:
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Welcome to the Rock Fight where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head. I'm Colin True and today we're taking outdoor pop culture.
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Colin True
00:02:49.740 - 00:03:30.444
And now back to the show.
All right, if you've been listening to the show long enough, you know that I'm as interested in pop culture as I am in the outdoors or the outdoor industry. I love movies in particular, but also TV and music to a lesser extent. Books.
I like books, but I kind of, you know, I'm a kind of hit or miss guy when it comes to books.
I also find the intersection of the outdoors and pop culture to be pretty compelling because there's multiple versions of the outdoor experience that lend itself to movies and TV because it's a great way to show off that backcountry scenery, but also music and especially books because of the storytelling aspect of it all.
So to dig into this a little bit and to set the stage for more outdoor pop culture conversations, whether you, the listener, want them or not, here on the Rock Fight, we're excited to have Shante Salibair joining us. Welcome back to the show, Shantae.
Shawnté Salabert
00:03:30.492 - 00:03:36.892
Woohoo. Oh, I am so thrilled to be here today. And I cannot wait because I already know that you and I are going to have some friction.
Colin True
00:03:37.036 - 00:03:39.452
I know, I know. So it's still going to be very rock fighty.
Shawnté Salabert
00:03:39.596 - 00:03:49.484
Yeah, exactly. You got to always. That is the. The heart of this podcast is friction. I don't know if you knew that or if you planned for that.
Colin True
00:03:49.572 - 00:03:51.560
A lot of ways I could interpret that comment.
Shawnté Salabert
00:03:54.260 - 00:03:56.892
Just think sandpaper. Like emotional sandpaper.
Colin True
00:03:56.956 - 00:04:20.728
Emotional sandpaper. Rock fight. The emotional sandpaper of the outdoor industry. Well, I wanna start our outdoor pop culture journey with movies.
It's the medium that it probably has the biggest swings and misses, you know, when it comes to depicting the activities we love to do. There are three movies that we've talked about offline. I figured, kind of an interesting case study for this conversation.
Those movies are A Walk in the Woods, Wild and Touching the Void.
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:20.904 - 00:04:25.580
So we had those classics, the Triumvit, if you. Triumvirate, if you will.
Colin True
00:04:25.680 - 00:04:28.084
Do you think A Walk in the woods has gotten there, do you think?
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:28.252 - 00:04:31.076
No, actually, I don't. You know, I have feelings about that movie.
Colin True
00:04:31.108 - 00:04:34.484
No, no. And I think I probably understand them, but it's.
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:34.532 - 00:04:37.812
I think probably 127 hours is probably part of the triumvirate.
Colin True
00:04:37.876 - 00:05:01.984
I had them as sort of an honorable mention that we should talk about. But I like. I like A Walk in the woods because. Because it isn't 127 hours, which, you know, was nominated for best picture and is just a good movie.
I think Walk in the woods is probably a little more representative of most outdoor movies in a way. Kind of like the everyman of outdoor movies. It's not like they all, like, they all kind of missing something, but there's a little bit of something.
I don't know. We'll talk about it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:02.072 - 00:05:02.992
We'll talk about it.
Colin True
00:05:03.096 - 00:05:07.344
Well, let's talk about each of these movies. So which one are you interested in discussing first?
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:07.512 - 00:05:12.000
I mean, let's just get started with friction and start with a Walk in the woods, why don't we?
Colin True
00:05:12.120 - 00:05:33.004
Okay.
So the interesting thing to me about a walk in the woods, and if anyone out there has not heard seeing a Walk in the woods, it's an adaptation of Bill Bryson's book about his attempt to hike the Appalachian Trail, which is a Appalachian. Oh, sorry. Excuse me. Is that. Well, that. I didn't. I don't know if everyone's actually corrected. You're right. But I mean, wow. Like, that's a. That's a.
That's a bugaboo for you.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:33.172 - 00:05:34.780
It's just. It's just how you say it.
Colin True
00:05:34.820 - 00:05:36.412
Are you sure? We sure we're sure.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:36.596 - 00:05:51.660
I'm sure. I know that before in other episodes of the podcasts, I've been unsure about how to pronounce things, but as a.
As a through hikey person, as a backpacker, you trust your mouth. This is one thing I feel pretty good about.
Colin True
00:05:51.780 - 00:06:03.798
The Fashion Trail. So the. Is Bill Bryson's attempt to hike the Appalachian Trail pretty well? Very. I would say. Even I know you're.
Well, tell me your thoughts on the book. You've read A Walk in the Woods?
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:03.894 - 00:06:47.550
Oh, yeah. I am a big Bill Bryson fan. I find his writing to be pretty. It's just standardly funny. Like in a sunburnt country. His book.
I mean, to me, that is his best book. His book about being in Australia, traveling around Australia, where everything basically wants to kill you. Uh, but.
And that's how I actually got to a walk in the woods was through. In a sunburnt country. Not through thinking about the at or hiking or anything. It was like, oh, I want to read some more Bill Bryson.
Like, I've read Dark Star Safari, and I was like, oh, I'll walk in the woods. I like woods, I like walking. What's not to love? And I, you know. Okay, so do you want my opinion? You want my opinion on the book?
Colin True
00:06:47.590 - 00:06:48.730
Yeah. Let's start with the book.
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:49.110 - 00:07:21.466
I, unlike you, am a voracious reader. I love reading. There is not enough time in the day for me to read everything I want to read.
My own unread pile is absolutely atrocious, but it delights me. So a walk in the woods, I thought. I mean, it's a classic Bill Bryson, right? He's like this hapless guy.
He goes out there and he's, like, bumbling around in the woods with his buddy. Equally bumbly. And they are. They're like the Everyman. And so in that way, it's a classic Bill Bryson book.
I have no complaints about it from the Bill Bryson perspective. Like, I enjoyed reading it. I thought the book was fine. It's not exactly.
Colin True
00:07:21.498 - 00:07:22.790
I see where you're going with this.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:23.250 - 00:07:30.788
So the book is fine with me. I like Bill. I like his vibe. I'm cool with it. What did you think about the book?
Colin True
00:07:30.924 - 00:07:34.240
Well, I love the book. I've read it several times.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:34.540 - 00:07:35.236
Several times?
Colin True
00:07:35.308 - 00:07:37.428
Yeah. At least three, probably more.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:37.484 - 00:07:38.548
You know, there's other books out there.
Colin True
00:07:38.604 - 00:07:47.604
Well, see, this is where I get to with books. Like, I just. I'm a voracious acquirer of books that I never read. So that's.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:47.652 - 00:07:53.286
I mean, I have. I'm an acquirer as well. What you can't see right now is all the books in front of me. I do eventually read them.
Colin True
00:07:53.358 - 00:08:07.926
Yeah. I. You know, I. It's kind of like yoga or surfing in a way, with books where it's kind of like when I'm reading a book, I really like.
I'm like, I got to. I got to read more. And then I stop reading for, like, nine months at a time. I'm like, oh, I got to start.
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:07.998 - 00:08:14.422
That's like me and the beach. Yeah, I go to the beach. I'm like, well, this is nice. I live in California. Why don't I take advantage, like, half.
Colin True
00:08:14.446 - 00:08:16.166
An hour from my house? What?
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:16.318 - 00:08:19.878
Yeah. It's not half an hour from me because I live on the other side of la, but.
Colin True
00:08:19.934 - 00:08:20.466
Oh.
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:20.598 - 00:08:24.150
But, yeah, it's the same concept. I get there, and I'm like, oh, this? I should do this more.
Colin True
00:08:24.690 - 00:09:07.894
Right. So, you know, and I think just as I've. The more. The older I get and the more there are more movies and TV shows that I've missed that.
I kind of prioritize that over books. But I have read Walk in the woods several times. I started. I read it shortly after it came out, and I was working at Eastern Mountain Sports.
I was really almost probably why it resonates A little bit more with me, because I was really kind of just starting my outdoor journey around the same time that I read it for the first time. I was living in New England. You know, he's based in New England when he. When it. He's a.
I was in New Hampshire when the book starts, so it just definitely resonated with me. And I mean. And then there's the Bryson of it all, which I think is sort of his hallmark, which is. Yeah, it's his adventures.
But you get all of this incredible history as well. Right. Is the cat. I saw the cat walking.
Shawnté Salabert
00:09:07.942 - 00:09:13.734
I'm so sorry. My cat is yowling. My cat is a little high. She's on Gabapentin right now. She's coming down off of it, really.
Colin True
00:09:13.822 - 00:09:15.766
This is a weird experiment that Shanta does daily.
Shawnté Salabert
00:09:15.878 - 00:09:17.222
She's walking in the woods as well.
Colin True
00:09:17.246 - 00:09:19.190
She feeds drugs to her cat. See what happens?
Shawnté Salabert
00:09:19.270 - 00:09:21.548
That's the training to be.
Colin True
00:09:21.604 - 00:09:24.120
ASPCA is going to knock on the door at any second now.
Shawnté Salabert
00:09:24.660 - 00:09:27.676
I love animals, especially mine.
Colin True
00:09:27.868 - 00:10:34.636
So when they made a movie out of it, I was dubious. I'm like, oh, no. Like, what are you gonna. Because part of.
I think one of my favorite parts of the book is, like, learning the history of the AT and sort of learning. And it is, again, the Bryson stuff of, like, he explains where he is and the history of the town.
And he's so good at kind of, you know, painting the picture of what he's seeing when he's there and stuff like that. It's like, well, how are you gonna make this into a movie about just two getting bumbling guys going through hiking?
And I thought they did about as good a job as you could. I thought the. It's almost like a starter outdoor movie. I guess the.
You know, my mark for a movie and if it's successful or not when it comes to any activity, is how well do you portray the activities. Right. I think a great example of this is Mystery Alaska.
Because if you watch Mystery Alaska, which is a hockey movie, takes place in Alaska, and it's supposed to be this, like, you know, you know, ragtag bunch of guys who play in Alaska, and they take on the New York Rangers. Great premise. But the. But you could tell, like, most of the people on or playing hockey do not play ice hockey.
And if you know anything about the sport whatsoever, it's so hard to watch a lot of the hockey scenes because these people do not play hockey.
Shawnté Salabert
00:10:34.748 - 00:10:42.874
And I think basically it's the cliffhanger of hockey vertical. I mean, the Vertical limit of vertical limit. Maybe the cliffhanger and the vertical hockey.
Colin True
00:10:42.922 - 00:10:48.170
Okay, so we're already off the rails here, like on point number one because like the vertical limit is so ridiculous.
Shawnté Salabert
00:10:48.330 - 00:10:51.482
Yeah, there is a lot of shark jumping happening in that movie.
Colin True
00:10:51.626 - 00:10:54.026
It becomes entertaining by default.
Shawnté Salabert
00:10:54.218 - 00:10:56.698
And I think we devoted an entire episode to it.
Colin True
00:10:56.754 - 00:10:57.098
We did.
Shawnté Salabert
00:10:57.154 - 00:10:57.706
Two years ago.
Colin True
00:10:57.778 - 00:10:59.754
God, we should just maybe every year. I think we should just do it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:10:59.762 - 00:11:04.026
Again once a year. Vertical anniversary, you know, after Christmas.
Colin True
00:11:04.058 - 00:11:05.722
Every year from now on we're doing vertical living.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:05.786 - 00:11:06.794
It's our die hard.
Colin True
00:11:06.882 - 00:11:08.410
Maybe we bring on a third person.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:08.450 - 00:11:12.394
Every time and we just surprise them and tell them this is, this is.
Colin True
00:11:12.402 - 00:11:24.990
What we're doing today. Did you watch it? So anyway, I think a walk in the woods was like, it was fine. The outdoorsy stuff was okay enough. And it just was like. It's like.
Yeah, it's okay. It was okay.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:26.290 - 00:12:44.900
Okay. Yeah, it was okay. No, I didn't like it at all. I didn't like it at all. I can't even like, oh, it hurts to say okay. Because the thing.
Bill Bryson is, as you said, an amazing place setter.
He will put you right there and then what he does and it's kind of akin to what if you're familiar with Brendan Leonard who does Semirad, it's kind of similar. He's an everyday guy and he centers himself as the butt of the joke. A lot of times it's very self deprecating like that is.
And it especially shows up in A walk in the woods. So in some ways that aspect of it comes across with these two bumbling guys. But I just think I did not like the, the acting. I, I didn't like.
I didn't know who the audience was. I think it was maybe aimed at an older audience. You know, how sometimes films will really lean into.
Like we're going to make this a movie for old folks instead of making a movie about older folks that can appeal to everyone. So it's like the aarpization of it instead of just telling the story and realizing there probably would be threads that people would connect to.
You don't just have to relegate it to like movies for old folks because I think it's done in a really pandering way. Like that's how the movie came across to me. It didn't come across as, you know, droll and funny to me as the book did.
Colin True
00:12:45.680 - 00:13:15.084
It definitely did it. And it's not like we're going to get into Wild in a second. And that probably feels like There's a companionship there between the book and the movie.
And like. Like the best.
Like Lord of the Rings is by the best example of, like, you can have one experience reading the books and have an entirely different experience watching the movies. And they're fulfilling in their own way. There is not. There is like, yeah, there's the premise here.
And that also I do find it funny that, you know, Bill Bryson, if you see him, is built a little bit more like. Wait, who played Cats? It was.
Shawnté Salabert
00:13:15.172 - 00:13:16.280
Oh, yeah, it was.
Colin True
00:13:16.660 - 00:13:17.404
Oh, my God.
Shawnté Salabert
00:13:17.452 - 00:13:21.100
We did a good job researching beforehand. Not Nick Nolte. Was it Nick Nolte?
Colin True
00:13:21.180 - 00:13:29.216
Yeah. So Nick Nolte, who plays Cats, he's built a little more like Nick Nolte.
And yet they casted Robert Redford, who is eternally handsome, no matter how old he is.
Shawnté Salabert
00:13:29.348 - 00:13:58.784
See, that's the thing. I think so much of what failed about this movie was the casting. Immediately I went and saw it in the theater.
That's cause I was like, all right, I want to support outdoor movies. It's a trail movie. I like Bill Bryson. And yeah, I was immediately. I wasn't excited when I saw it was the two of them.
The trailer didn't really do it for me, but I was going to give it a chance. But yeah, the two of them were so miscast. Just on a deep abiding level. I can think of. I mean, I can't actually right now.
Don't ask me to think of the people I would have cast, but it wouldn't have been those two.
Colin True
00:13:58.912 - 00:14:18.672
I think right there is the. And everything you're saying is valid and accurate. I think the reason probably why I had a better experience with it.
Cause I probably watched it on like, Netflix on my phone. You know, it was just like, lower bar. Yeah. It's like it had been a while. Like, oh, I never saw that. Let's just, you know, watch it.
And it's like, yeah, it's all right. You know, it was just like, it was an easy way to kill 90 minutes and have it be. Remind me of why I love the book.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:18.776 - 00:14:37.772
That's fair. It didn't remind me of that at all. But I get the idea of the Everyman's movie. Right? Like, I don't know that it succeeded in that mission.
I almost think of. And this is a wild card that not a lot of people are going to know, but Emilio Estevez and Charlie Sheen did a movie together called the Way.
Colin True
00:14:37.876 - 00:14:38.204
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:38.252 - 00:14:40.044
And it's Martin Sheen.
Colin True
00:14:40.092 - 00:14:41.916
It was Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:41.948 - 00:14:42.428
Right?
Colin True
00:14:42.564 - 00:14:42.828
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:42.844 - 00:14:46.476
Charlie Was absolutely not Charlie. He was somewhere else, which you can't. Drugs.
Colin True
00:14:46.588 - 00:14:52.240
That's a good point. I've been trying to watch the way it's not streaming anywhere. I mean, I think you can buy it, I believe, like on stream.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:52.980 - 00:15:02.020
Yeah, you could probably get it from the library, from one of the streaming services the library uses. They're excellent if you haven't used them. Canopy and Overdrive.
Colin True
00:15:02.840 - 00:15:05.312
But yeah, that movie, pop culture hack right there.
Shawnté Salabert
00:15:05.416 - 00:15:52.188
I know, that's what I'm here for, Dropping the knowledge. But yeah, that movie, to me, it's a little more niche as far as the subject matter because less people know about the Camino de Santiago.
But I think that movie maybe digs into it feels deeper. It feels like it isn't just there for laughs. It isn't just there to fill the annual old folks movie niche. It actually. It actually gets somewhere.
And it's. It's not like I don't think it's great cinema by any means, but I think it shows the heart of that trail. It shows like a real human experience.
And I think that would be more of a gateway drug type of movie if people were interested in hiking and having a deeper experience, but not maybe like, you know, high adventure hiking, more cozy hiking.
Colin True
00:15:52.364 - 00:15:56.360
We should start a. Ashanti recommends a section on the website.
Shawnté Salabert
00:15:56.780 - 00:15:58.516
Oh, I'm here for it.
Colin True
00:15:58.588 - 00:15:59.572
Links, trailers, books.
Shawnté Salabert
00:15:59.636 - 00:16:00.660
I would love to recommend.
Colin True
00:16:00.740 - 00:16:06.196
Okay, we start putting it. It could be like a weekly little thing in the newsletter too. Send me a pop culture recommendation.
Shawnté Salabert
00:16:06.228 - 00:16:12.132
Let me recommend. I mean, you do know this is. My day job is licensing music to film, TV, advertising, etc.
Colin True
00:16:12.196 - 00:16:15.156
We probably should have started with that too. That's the reason why you're the expert here.
Shawnté Salabert
00:16:15.228 - 00:16:20.560
Yeah, that's okay. I also was in the Notebook. I don't know if you knew that.
Colin True
00:16:20.860 - 00:16:21.790
No, you weren't.
Shawnté Salabert
00:16:21.900 - 00:16:23.030
Yes, I was.
Colin True
00:16:24.450 - 00:16:30.074
You're just making things up now because you know that, like every time I talk to you, there's another thing that you reveal about yourself.
Shawnté Salabert
00:16:30.202 - 00:16:57.094
It's true. But that is true. I have photos I can show you later. Were you an extra? I was an extra.
Well, I got cast in a speaking role and then I couldn't make it because I had to work that day. This is when I used to be a school social worker. And so they. They wanted me in the movie still, they. They just cast me as an extra.
And then the director came up to me, Nick Cassavetes, and he's like, I like your look. Can you shag and shagging in the American terminology? Of the American.
Colin True
00:16:57.262 - 00:16:57.910
Thank you.
Shawnté Salabert
00:16:58.030 - 00:17:17.926
Important clarification is beach dance. Yes, it's very shuffly beach dance. And I said, and also the name of an excellent movie starring Phoebe Cates. I told him I could not shag.
And then he said, well, can you swing dance? And then I said way too enthusiastically for someone who doesn't know how to swing dance. Yeah, I love it. I do it all the time.
Colin True
00:17:17.998 - 00:17:22.386
You're like, this is my opportunity to be in this movie, and I'm blowing it, so I got to say yes to whatever he says next.
Shawnté Salabert
00:17:22.458 - 00:17:25.746
Oh, bless that poor choreographer and my dance partner.
Colin True
00:17:25.938 - 00:17:29.570
Wait a second. So were you trying to be an actor at one point?
Shawnté Salabert
00:17:29.690 - 00:17:34.226
Not at all. No. They were filming it in Charleston when I lived there, and so my friend and I took.
Colin True
00:17:34.298 - 00:17:36.674
So how did you get cast in a speaking role, though?
Shawnté Salabert
00:17:36.842 - 00:17:38.914
I don't know. It's a mystery to me.
Colin True
00:17:39.002 - 00:17:41.794
They just called you out of the blue, like, we have this part for you in a movie.
Shawnté Salabert
00:17:41.842 - 00:17:58.592
I mean, I applied to be. I. We. They had an open casting call, so we just took photos of each other, got them developed at the one hour Photo. Martin, that was still a thing.
Amazing. And sent in our little, like, open casting call application thing. And yes, I got a call back.
Colin True
00:17:58.776 - 00:18:02.400
All right, so young Gosling versus current day older Gosling.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:02.480 - 00:18:02.720
Who.
Colin True
00:18:02.760 - 00:18:15.404
Where's your. Where do you. Where's your. What's your preference? Oh, you know, I think he's aging magnificently. That's why I'm magnificent. He looks so good.
I want his hair. I'm like, that's every. Every new haircut he has. I'm like, I want that haircut.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:15.472 - 00:18:26.880
He's got a very River Phoenix kind of hair vibe. Like, very impeccable. You know, he's a good egg. I've met him multiple times, not just on the set when we talked about ramen noodles together.
Colin True
00:18:27.900 - 00:18:33.120
But why are you doing a podcast with me? That's ultimately what this comes down to.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:34.140 - 00:18:38.628
This is how I'm going to launch my new. What has Shantae done and who does she know?
Colin True
00:18:38.764 - 00:18:39.480
Yes.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:40.300 - 00:18:42.484
Sorry to everybody who thought they were going to hear about the outcome.
Colin True
00:18:42.532 - 00:18:48.540
Well, we're going to get to the end, at the end of the pod. Why you should care about this, but not you like the listeners, not me.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:48.580 - 00:18:49.884
I should care about it. I do.
Colin True
00:18:49.972 - 00:18:51.484
You care about your personal history. It's fine.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:51.532 - 00:18:53.800
I do. I lived it.
Colin True
00:18:54.100 - 00:18:58.284
Anyway, moving on to Wild Wild, which you were not in.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:58.452 - 00:19:03.452
I was not. I was not. I mean, I did write a guidebook to the PCT But I was not in the movie.
Colin True
00:19:03.596 - 00:19:07.532
Okay, so this is what. I did not. I'll admit I did. I've not read the book.
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:07.716 - 00:19:08.252
What?
Colin True
00:19:08.356 - 00:19:08.876
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:08.988 - 00:19:14.320
Oh, Colin. Okay. What? All right, well, for. We'll get to the book. What did you think about the movie?
Colin True
00:19:15.150 - 00:20:10.754
So actually Justin and I talked about it on the pod maybe a year or so ago. Neither one of us had seen it and understand why it's so beloved. I thought Reese Witherspoon was incredible.
I liked the sort of abstract way they did the story to kind of make it almost like you're sort of kind of in her head most of the time. And it's not just sort of like a we start here, then go here, then end here kind of storytelling.
But the outdoor parts, to me, this is where I come back to. I just, I didn't think they. I thought they did not nail them in a bad way or took me out of those.
The emotionality of the movie, which was obviously the root of the movie and how emotional this woman's journey was and everything like that. But it just then like they, I wrote notes. They read the one guy, this guy Greg, and he literally is outdoor retailer the character.
And I'm like, I hate this. Like, I'm so mad right now as an outdoor guy. Like listen to like just these like ham fisted way. They're like forcing in like outdoor references.
It's driving me crazy. So it really made it hard for me to enjoy the movie.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:10.882 - 00:20:24.922
Greg ruining everything. Greg, the thing is Wild. Now here's another example. A movie. What's the real audience for Wild? It's not me. It's not you. It's not you.
Just like a walk in the woods was not me.
Colin True
00:20:25.026 - 00:20:25.338
Right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:25.394 - 00:20:34.714
But Wild is not, and this is sacrilege to some, Wild is not an outdoor movie and it's not a movie about hiking. The book is not an outdoor book and it's not a book about hiking.
Colin True
00:20:34.762 - 00:20:37.386
Oh, interesting take. Okay, keep saying more.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:37.458 - 00:21:00.190
That's where people get wild wrong. And what's funny is on the PCT we have something we call the. The wild effect.
And it's most often said with complete derision, like, oh, you know, you can ask people. Start at Campo, you know, down at the southern terminus of the trail. You can ask people.
And I don't even know what the number would be of how many people would say to this day they are out there because of Wild.
Colin True
00:21:00.270 - 00:21:01.054
Oh, for sure.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:01.142 - 00:21:13.886
Whether. Whether they read the book or whether they saw the movie or both. And it's funny because a Lot like another movie that you and I have bantered about.
Off. Off tape, Into Thin Air. It's not a movie that is.
Colin True
00:21:13.958 - 00:21:17.870
Oh, I mean, the Everest. The adaptation they did with the one with Jake Gyllenhaal.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:18.530 - 00:21:39.178
No, no, no, no. Just the idea of movies that are not the most flattering portrayal of an outdoor pursuit. But so many people get really excited.
Like, wait, I'm inspired by this. I want to do this thing. Wild is a movie about somebody's inner journey to sort of come through grief and trauma and come out the other side whole.
Colin True
00:21:39.274 - 00:21:39.802
Absolutely.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:39.866 - 00:21:56.678
And people saw this movie, People read the book, and they're like, maybe it will work for me. I cannot tell you how many people I've met on.
The movie was about that for them, and the book was about that for them, and whether or not they had that experience out there, I don't know. But you really can't hike for five months without it changing you fundamentally, so.
Colin True
00:21:56.814 - 00:22:04.794
But doesn't that, by default, kind of make it an outdoor movie? If people are literally going out to do the thing, it kind of then drags it over into your head.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:04.794 - 00:22:17.134
Yeah. Your definition of an outdoor movie. See, to me, it's. I mean, it is ostensibly, the outdoors is almost like. It's the framework, I guess you could say.
But the movie just doesn't. It's not about hiking, but there are.
Colin True
00:22:17.142 - 00:22:19.410
People who call, like, Happy Gilmore a hockey movie.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:20.150 - 00:22:21.490
Is it about golf?
Colin True
00:22:22.230 - 00:22:56.066
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So I don't know. I think I hear what you're saying, and I think you're right at the heart of it. It is a grief movie.
It is a growth movie. It is a, you know, the journey this woman went on to kind of come out, come out on the other side. And that's what makes it so.
That is what makes it so good. And that's why that was my takeaway watching it. But putting it in the outdoor lens, I definitely fell short. But I just. I don't know. It's a weird.
I guess that's a. Cause you are right about, like, the.
Into Thin Air we talk about with the book, where I read that book and then was all charged up to go climb mountains.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:56.178 - 00:22:59.150
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go up Everest. I'm gonna do it better.
Colin True
00:22:59.690 - 00:23:10.290
But also, that is a story that takes place exclusively, basically, at Everest Base Camp to then the summit and back down versus Wild. Is not that right? That is.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:10.330 - 00:23:18.510
Yeah. I bet if you counted the minutes in the film that are actually on trail, I Mean, everybody remembers when her boot through.
Hikers remember when she goes to Kennedy Meadows and they.
Colin True
00:23:18.550 - 00:23:18.750
Sure.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:18.790 - 00:23:32.926
They kind of dump through and go through her pack. You know, you remember when she starts at Tehachapi, I've been in that exact spot. You know, she's in the desert and has no idea what the hell to do.
Can't her stove. Yeah. So all of that is outdoorsy. Yeah.
Colin True
00:23:32.958 - 00:23:33.650
Okay.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:33.990 - 00:23:37.278
But it's not A River Runs through it. Like I think it. Yes. All right.
Colin True
00:23:37.334 - 00:23:38.862
Oh, that's one we should talk about too, by the way.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:38.886 - 00:23:46.272
We should. Yeah, it's. It's out. Okay. It's outdoorsy. Like, it definitely falls in that bucket. People watch it when they want to get psyched about hiking, I think.
Colin True
00:23:46.296 - 00:23:46.592
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:46.656 - 00:23:49.824
But it really large parts of the movie have nothing to do with the.
Colin True
00:23:49.832 - 00:23:52.544
Outdoors, of course, and are tough to watch.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:52.712 - 00:23:54.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Colin True
00:23:55.000 - 00:24:14.860
River Runs Through.
An interesting comp because I thought as a non fly fishing person, I wonder what a true fly fishing person or you know, feels about A River Runs Through. Because I'm like, that's amazing. Look at them go. Look at those. Casting those lines. Wow. You know, versus like, like the Kennedy meadow scene in Wild.
I'm like, shut up, dude. Nobody talks like this. Nobody talks like this. I'm just mad about it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:24:14.900 - 00:24:20.748
You know, if you only knew how people talk down the trail. I. Yeah, I've met people who talk like that.
Colin True
00:24:20.804 - 00:24:22.060
Okay, then you're probably right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:24:22.180 - 00:24:23.360
Yeah. Alas.
Colin True
00:24:25.700 - 00:26:04.922
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The next one we were gonna talk about was Touching the Void.
And the thing I thought that was interesting about Touching the Void, and I doubt a lot of people at this point listening to this may be even familiar with Touching the Void. Have you seen. Now I've read the book and seen the movie. Are you the same?
Shawnté Salabert
00:26:05.106 - 00:26:11.098
Yeah, but I have. It's been a long time since I read the book, so I remember the movie is a little bit more vivid in my memory.
Colin True
00:26:11.194 - 00:27:04.846
So Touching the Void is the story of Joe Simpson, who was climbing down in Patagonia, I believe was in Chile. Right. And with. With a partner. I can't remember the partner's name. Simon, I believe his name was.
And caught up high up on the mountain, got caught in a storm, had an accident. And he was caught dangling at the end of a rope. And his climbing partner had literally no choice but to cut the rope.
And the partner descended, thinking that Joe had died. He had not. And he had to crawl back to base camp. And that's basically the story. Incredible survival tale. It's a reading the book. Yeah.
You get a little of that into thin air. Like, it's almost like, wow, what an amazing tale. I want to go have a big adventure like this.
The reason why I feel like that movie works better than either wild or a walk in the woods or whatever from an outdoorsy perspective is it's a docudrama where the main characters are narrating it, but the reenactments are incredible. If you.
Shawnté Salabert
00:27:04.918 - 00:27:06.286
Oh, they're next level.
Colin True
00:27:06.438 - 00:27:37.440
It's like they filmed the actual thing happening. Yeah. The clothing, the gear, the conditions, all authentic. You feel like you're there. Nothing is out of place.
Where you're like, okay, that's obviously not. Like they didn't get that thing right. Everything they got right. And then obviously there's still actors. Right.
Cause there's moments where they're showing them dangling from the rope, and they have to do all that, and it's just. It's probably kind of, for me, one of the quintessential.
If you want an outdoor adventure experience on film, that's not something like Free solo where it's like a true documentary.
Shawnté Salabert
00:27:37.600 - 00:27:37.968
Right.
Colin True
00:27:38.024 - 00:27:40.460
I would recommend this probably Stop number one.
Shawnté Salabert
00:27:41.790 - 00:27:50.198
What. So what do you think puts this above all others for you? Is it that cinematography and that feeling of place and the. The stakes?
Colin True
00:27:50.374 - 00:28:30.528
I think so because it's so. It is a true story. So that's interesting. And because it is so.
Well, because all the things I said at the beginning about how, you know, you don't see the seams. You don't see like, if you're familiar, if you're an alpinist, you're not going to be nitpicking this, you know, and it's. And I do.
I don't think this format maybe gets used enough of the.
We're narrating it, it's a documentary, but it's a reenactment versus just showing like, you know, photos and, you know, little video clips that we happen to have left over from the expedition. They recreated a lot of it because then on the flip side, they did make a movie of Into Thin Air called Everest.
And I just thought like, that just felt like kind of like a better Vertical limit, right? Yeah, exactly.
Shawnté Salabert
00:28:30.544 - 00:28:35.364
Yes. A Better Vertical Limit is a great. Jake Gillon, like, what a weird. It was such a strange movie.
Colin True
00:28:35.492 - 00:28:36.932
Scott Fisher, I think.
Shawnté Salabert
00:28:37.116 - 00:29:12.948
Yeah, it was so bad. Yeah, it was just. It felt, it felt like glossed over. It felt just very Holly. Weird when people say that. That is a great.
You know, whereas this felt like, yeah, you're not gonna watch this and nitpick like you said, you're not. You're gonna be taken in by the story. You're gonna be excited cause it's a true story. You're also gonna be really taken in by the scenery.
That felt really realistic. The stakes felt realistic. Yeah, it is. It is a great movie. And I agree. I could see more movies capturing that drama.
I mean, 127 hours, which we've mentioned a few times.
Colin True
00:29:13.004 - 00:29:14.020
We should talk about it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:29:14.140 - 00:29:48.416
Yeah, I feel like that's another movie in that same realm where you have high stakes. You have a true story. You have kind of a.
In a way it's man versus nature, but I think it's less that and it's man versus self in nature because the mountains aren't doing shit to these people. Like, you know, you took a wrong move, you made a decision and now you're stuck in this place and you have to deal with your shit.
So it's like when people. I really dislike the trope of like the conqueror people conquering the mountain. The mountain does not give a shit.
You're never conquering the mountain.
Colin True
00:29:48.528 - 00:29:50.960
I hate that word. It makes me so mad.
Shawnté Salabert
00:29:51.120 - 00:30:20.500
It's such. Yes, the mountain is there. It exists.
What you're actually conquering when you're out doing these things, whether it's a through hike or you're doing some gnarly ice climbing or whatever the hell it is, is you are conquering something within yourself. Maybe you have a goal you're setting, maybe you have fears that you're moving through.
But yeah, this idea that somehow man versus nature just doesn't always ring true for me because I think it's a false dichotomy. I think it's most often us against ourselves out there. Us trying to make ourselves better through the process.
Colin True
00:30:21.040 - 00:31:25.690
Yeah, 127 hours and we'll forgive the James Franco of it all. We know we're not supposed to talk about him anymore. Unfortunately. This makes me mad when people who are like, oh, that guy's great.
You're like, oh, you too. Anyway, it's like it is that kind of next level of. It's not the docudrama that Touching the Void was, but it's pretty damn close.
I mean Danny Boyle is incredible as a director and another one where you know just the little things. I mean you and I are both, you know, now gene aficionados.
Like in the beginning when they're with a close up shot of them filling up the water bottle and you're just like. And one. You know how important that water bottle is going to be foreshadowing, right?
But also for people like you and me, you're like, yep, that's the water bottle this guy would be taking with him on a, on a day, on a day trip to the desert to go jump around canyons and stuff like that. And it's just those little touches that make these things super effective. And because it is like. And that's.
You shouldn't make a movie based off of like the 2% of people like you and I who would like not who would notice those things. But boy, does it make it so much better when it's like when you did. You did the little extras, you know.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:25.730 - 00:31:42.148
That'S what I'm looking. This is why Colin, people should be hiring us as consultants. Listen, we know all about this stuff. Just hire us. Rock fight.
Filmconsultants.comorg edu we're here for you, it's a dot edu.
Colin True
00:31:42.324 - 00:31:43.044
It's education.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:43.132 - 00:31:45.204
Whatever we need. Whatever we need to get to the people.
Colin True
00:31:45.292 - 00:31:53.252
Yeah. Are you going out? Going in the outdoors in any capacity? Because look, we have a big network.
Maybe if you're doing a sport that we don't personally do, we know people. Don't worry about it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:53.276 - 00:31:55.284
We know people. Probably too many people.
Colin True
00:31:55.372 - 00:32:20.000
Seriously, seriously take our people. Is there any other films that you can think of that kind of fit into this conversation? I mean, I think Everest is one. Like, I just.
That was very disappointed. But I mean that terms of the sort of. I feel like this is a good representation of a good place to start of like the films that at least took us.
And the wild conversation is interesting. You not calling it an outdoor movie. I thought that was kind of interesting. But the.
I feel like we kind of like this is a good little starting point for our pop culture journey.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:20.160 - 00:32:30.828
That's right. I love this. We are on a pop culture journey together. But I think we're gonna probably throw some people off with this.
They're not expecting unless they heard our beautiful beautif discussion of vertical limit.
Colin True
00:32:30.924 - 00:32:31.580
That's right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:31.700 - 00:32:37.292
You know that we were going to launch this very Siskel and Ebert esque side tangent.
Colin True
00:32:37.436 - 00:32:45.740
Love it. The only thing we will not discuss in this segment is the 2015 remake of Point Break because that was.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:45.780 - 00:32:47.468
No, it doesn't exist. That's exactly.
Colin True
00:32:47.564 - 00:32:59.548
That was a bad dream we all had collectively. Yeah, Edgar Ramirez had amazing hair in that movie. Other than that, I can't remember a single thing about it, frankly. So what are we doing?
Why would you try to remake a perfect film?
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:59.604 - 00:33:02.760
You don't need to remake Bodhi. There's only one Bodhi.
Colin True
00:33:03.740 - 00:33:07.476
One of my 14 year olds is going through an early Keanu phase.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:07.588 - 00:33:08.404
Oh, that's beautiful.
Colin True
00:33:08.452 - 00:33:12.020
Yeah, she loves Keanu and thinks he's the most handsome man who ever lived.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:12.100 - 00:33:14.676
And I'm like, he's not wrong. He's still doing good.
Colin True
00:33:14.748 - 00:33:19.556
Looks pretty good for an older guy. Yeah. Point Break's your favorite movie, so.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:19.708 - 00:33:20.400
Aw.
Colin True
00:33:20.780 - 00:33:50.596
Yeah.
All right, look, we recognize that we may be in the minority here that there's a dedicated collection of outdoor enthusiasts who refuse to participate in things other than outdoorsy things. We all have those friends, right? I call them the I don't watch sports I do sports crowd. Right? They don't like mainstream sports.
They don't like the topics we're covering on today's episode.
So that's why Shantae, who is, like I said, our very own Gear Abby, she's gonna explain a few things to you in a regular segment we're calling Shantae Explains.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:50.788 - 00:33:51.716
Wow. Thank you.
Colin True
00:33:51.788 - 00:33:52.680
You're welcome.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:53.180 - 00:34:16.514
So here's the thing, Colin.
When you say that there's people that would turn their nose up at the idea of talking about pop culture and talking about how it relates to the outdoors, I just. It's not just that these super hardcore people aren't participating in like, regular people shit. Because listen, we all. We all have to eat.
We all have to poop. We all have to find a way to keep the lights on.
Colin True
00:34:16.682 - 00:34:19.378
I managed to work poop in this episode. Well done.
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:19.434 - 00:35:04.890
I will always work poop in. But, you know, we all have to find our ways to keep the lights on, even if it's the lights in our dirtbag fan.
But you think, you think Jimmy Chin is out there? Like, I don't watch movies, I don't watch tv. Give me a break. The man makes movies. Movies.
Like, we are all consumers of pop culture in our own different ways. You know, there's people sitting in their.
In their little sprinter vans right now, you know, after climbing in the desert, and they're watching season two of Severance, they're binging it, you know, just like I am. So it's this idea that, that people somehow turn their nose up at pop culture. Pop culture is expansive.
It's not just the things you hear on the radio. It's not just the things that you're seeing that are, you know, on ABC or Cinemax or whatever. Does Cinemax still exist? Anyway, I think it's h.
Hbo Max now.
Colin True
00:35:04.930 - 00:35:05.674
It is Max.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:05.722 - 00:35:07.430
Yeah, right. I should know that.
Colin True
00:35:07.810 - 00:35:08.170
But.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:08.210 - 00:35:09.162
So pop culture experts, as our pop.
Colin True
00:35:09.186 - 00:35:10.602
Culture expert, this is.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:10.626 - 00:35:13.018
Yeah, exactly. What is a television set?
Colin True
00:35:13.074 - 00:35:14.250
What's a streaming service?
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:14.370 - 00:36:37.678
Who am I? Yeah. So this idea that there's people, it kind of goes to this.
The same sort of weird thing that happens in the outdoors world where outdoorsy people are not some special breed. Also, outdoorsy is a lot of different flavors. There's not just one way to be outdoorsy. You. You're not just a climber.
Only if you live in a van and only if you dirt bag and don't have a job and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like it's. You're not just a runner. Only if you run ultras. Like it's a strange thing.
And you get this, this weird elitism when, you know, uber super duper outdoors are hardcore adventure. People talk about us versus them. We see it a lot in the thru hiking world. Which I'm pretty deep into.
You'll get people who look there, look down their noses on people who complete a trail like the John Muir Trail, New Muyo, which is a 220 mile trail.
People who are PCT will look down on JMT hikers that they're not good enough because they're only doing a three week trail versus a five or six month trail. And you know, you'll see that. You'll see that like, oh, you're not a backcountry skier. You're not going out of bounds. Like, okay, come on.
People who are out there skiing are just enjoying being out there skiing. It's not a competition. We don't have to prove who is the coolest and most outdoorsy.
I, I think like, Colin, when you, when you ask me this question, like, what are you getting at? Because I've, I've got more ideas, but I want to make sure I'm. I'm touching what you want me to touch, which is not the void.
Colin True
00:36:37.774 - 00:36:39.966
No, don't touch the void.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:40.078 - 00:36:40.878
I'm trying not to.
Colin True
00:36:40.934 - 00:37:29.282
Don't be like Joe Simpson. Yeah. I just. This is a bugaboo for me. Right. I think there's.
I find it would be what a boring life would be if I only was doing outdoorsy stuff and kind of make it not as much fun as it currently is, you know, And I think that's also kind of the mountain town mentality of like, well, if you're not here, then you're not here. You know, it's like, well, no, I'd rather live where I live and have mountains nearby that are maybe as high as yours.
But also, then I can go to the beach or go to like this restaurant that I like or go to a museum or whatever. I think, I think there is. Variety is the spice of life. And you know what? It's awesome.
You know what's awesome is watching like the NFL on like a rainy Sunday afternoon in November. It's great, you know, it's nice. It is.
And it's just like, I think that, I think that outdoorsy people should care about pop culture and mainstream stuff. I just do.
Shawnté Salabert
00:37:29.306 - 00:39:53.416
Yeah, well. And I think, Colin, they do. They just don't want to talk about it because it will steal cool credit or whatever. But on cool credit. Cool credit.
Cool credit. Listen, one of the most outdoorsy people I know, she's a climber. She's a mountain biker. She does like cycle cross, all this other stuff.
She's an outdoor photographer. You would, you know, people know her Face. She's everywhere. She's been a ton of ads. We did some REI ads together back in the day.
She is the biggest Taylor Swift nerd and traveled to like, I don't know, 10 Taylor Swift shows here. She's a total swifty. She will travel to the Swift, just like she will travel for a bike race or travel to go climb somewhere she hasn't climbed.
So, yeah, this idea that we're monoliths and that somehow makes us cool is also just kind of a lie, I think, because to be a well rounded human, you know, you, you have your passions, but you also have all of these other things.
And yeah, this idea too, that if you're not living in the outdoor town or living out of a vehicle or whatever it may be, that, that you're not outdoorsy or not outdoorsy enough is bullshit. I live in la.
You know, the amount of times I've gone to Outdoor Retailer and someone looks at my badge and says, oh, how do you handle living there, being an outdoorsy person? I'm like, I handle it just fine, thank you. I'm outside every single day. I'm trail running, I'm going up into the mountains.
I've done, you know, outdoor climbing here. You can do the, the whole, you know, surf and snow thing in a day here if you want. I don't want to, but it's, it's, it's all perception.
And really we just, the world doesn't need more people who think they're cooler than other people. It's just, that hasn't been working out for us guys. So let's try something else. All right? All right.
I got one other point here, and this is kind of tangentially, you know, related, but one thing I would love to see, sort of people who brand themselves and really own this identity as outdoor and adventure people and really hold that as like, this is who I, I am 110%.
What I'd like to see from those people is that they care more about standing up for all of the places in which they do these things that they built their identity on and standing up for the people in those places.
You know, whether you're thinking about it from the perspective of like mountain towns and how people don't have places to live, people who work there.
Whether you're thinking about what's happening right now with, I mean, the federal government, obviously we're seeing exponential destruction of the public good.
Colin True
00:39:53.488 - 00:39:53.928
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:39:54.024 - 00:41:21.478
And we've got now the Department of the Interior being tasked with increasing logging BY what is it 25% and on our federal lands. And that includes forests. And these are forests in which people are mountain biking and climbing and kayaking and doing all of these other things.
What I'd like to see is people drop the cool kid thing that, like, oh, all I do is my activity now. Stand up for that. Stand up for it. Like, get out there. You know, if you're a person who wants to be in community, go to marches, participate. There's.
There's so many conservation groups that could use help. Right now, you've got them talking about stripping 4, 5 1c3 status.
That's the tax exempt, the nonprofit status from these organizations because they talk about climate change. Are you kidding me? Look at politicians that actually are aligned with the values. Caroline Gleich is a ski mountaineer in Utah who ran for Congress.
Like, big ups to her because that is not an easy thing to do. But she is always walking the walk. You know, protect our winters.
As an organization, I think a lot of skiers, snowboarders, you know, ice climbers, alpinists are participating in, which is great to see anyway. Like, take that identity and wrap it up into something that's meaningful outside of your own existence. I think that's really important.
So go hike a Triple Crown trail like the Appalachian Trail or the pct and then donate to the groups who are out there supporting those lands and go out and volunteer on a trail crew. You know, go enjoy dawn patrol and figure out how you can plug in to support ocean health. You know, there's ways out there to do it.
That's what I'd like to see. See.
Colin True
00:41:21.614 - 00:41:26.406
See the rock fight. You. You come for Bill Bryson. You stay for the public lands chat.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:26.598 - 00:41:31.190
That's right. Love a public lands chat. I like a call to action. Colin.
Colin True
00:41:31.270 - 00:41:37.462
That's awesome. Well said. Well said. We are recording this Earth Day.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:37.566 - 00:41:38.358
That's true.
Colin True
00:41:38.454 - 00:41:51.696
And. And I. And I was waiting as I was chatting with Tanya over at Outdoor alliance because Adam from Outdoor alliance is going to come on the show soon.
And she's like, let's let me see what happens on Earth Day because there's a lot of rumors that there's gonna be a bunch of rollbacks.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:51.728 - 00:41:52.660
So many rumors.
Colin True
00:41:53.000 - 00:42:03.616
And it's like. And if that happens, let's try and get Adam on this week. I'm like, I'm waiting. I'm ready. I checked in with her midday.
She's like, I haven't heard anything yet. I'm gonna let you know by the end of the day. Thankfully, nothing happened today. Doesn't mean it's not going to, but.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:03.688 - 00:42:04.944
Doesn'T mean it's not going to.
Colin True
00:42:05.032 - 00:42:06.080
It will. It is going to.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:06.120 - 00:42:46.642
I would love to see people be more engaged. I really think that's a missing. That's something we're missing right now.
And if you look back to great social movements of the past, like the civil rights. The civil rights era is probably like the big one that people can think of in our, you know, not quite our lifetimes, but.
Yeah, leading into our lifetime. Right. You know, that's the kind of thing is that just imagine, think about how many people. I mean, outdoor industry is a massive industry.
Think about the money it brings in and think about all the people participating in these sports and these ventures that bring in that money now. Think about if all of them figured out ways to stand up for people in place. Like, that's all I'm asking.
I think we all have a responsibility to sort of be better stewards to each other and to the land.
Colin True
00:42:46.746 - 00:42:53.314
And then when you go home at night, what movie should you watch? It's probably less outdoorsy, more like all the President's Men. You know, like it's.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:53.362 - 00:42:59.910
Oh, my God. Something. Maybe not something depressing. Honestly. Watch Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
Colin True
00:43:01.050 - 00:43:05.906
That's kind of an outdoor movie. Yeah, it's like a road trip. He's got a bike, right?
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:06.058 - 00:43:06.706
Yes, exactly.
Colin True
00:43:06.738 - 00:43:09.314
Got large Marge driving him around. I mean, come on.
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:09.482 - 00:43:15.110
Yeah, let's go to. I mean, the Alamo. That's how I learned there wasn't a basement the Alamo. That's right.
Colin True
00:43:17.170 - 00:43:21.418
That's right. We did learn that from that movie. Anything else? You good?
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:21.554 - 00:43:22.234
I'm good.
Colin True
00:43:22.322 - 00:43:58.116
All right, that's the show for today, everybody. We want your emails. Send them to myrockfightmail.com the Rock Fight's a production of Rock Fight LLC. For Shantae Salibair, I'm Colin True.
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Shawnté Salabert
00:43:58.188 - 00:44:03.684
Just imagine if like a 90s influenced ska band was also playing. You would lose your mind, Colin.
Colin True
00:44:03.732 - 00:44:10.062
Trying to think. I wanna know who's opening. Yeah, I'm very excited. Anyway, Chris D'Manx is here. He's gonna sing the Rock Fight Fight song.
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00:44:10.126 - 00:45:05.950
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